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08-31-2010 , 03:19 PM
As played I think it was fine. Can't really raise anywhere with that board.

But you should really 4b pre. It's BvB so you can really level him into stacking off here with like AQs/99 type hands. Also if you just flat and play fit/fold he will have position to really just suck out on you and hammer you.
08-31-2010 , 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Texas Chuck
And to expound. He bets KK/AQ/KQ/air otf. So if I take those hands out of his range what does that leave him to bet ott and otr that we beat?
Uhm, not necessarily, and if I were in villains shoes I'd bet AJ here thinking it was the nuts. Folding the ace and ace seems absurd.

Pre seems like a super obvious 4bet, and I wouldn't be shy with sizing either. Boost that baby up to 1300. Against a good player I can see flatting as you'll have to cooler him massively to win all the monies, but against random just 4b/snap off his AQo.
08-31-2010 , 03:49 PM
should have 4bett pre, to early to be flatting there pre especially bvb ,also folding on river is never an option there though
08-31-2010 , 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by DFish
I mean, I'm not just trying to be a dick, but when you post a hand like this where it seems pretty obvious you lost the hand, it should be even more obvious no one is going to suggest folding at any point. Leading the flop seems suboptimal as well since we gave him the lead in the hand for a reason, because we want him to valuebet worse or bluff, leading the flop limits his ability to do either.

And asking "what does 4 betting preflop accomplish?", when we have AA blind vs blind with very deep stacks against someone unlikely to fold to a 4b and also quite likely to get it in preflop/on innocent flops with worse, is just absurd. We have the best hand possible, can't possibly imagine why we'd want the pot to be bigger!
+1
08-31-2010 , 08:00 PM
I also 4bet pre for sure. As played, meh, I call river but I'm not thrilled about it. I'm certainly not folding the turn.
08-31-2010 , 09:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Texas Chuck
Dfish,

Im not calling it with AA. Thats what Im saying.
Texas Chuck,

What hand do you play like this that you will call the river with? That's what I'm asking.
08-31-2010 , 09:38 PM
How has nobody mentioned that turn is an auto bet for us?
08-31-2010 , 11:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DFish
Texas Chuck,

What hand do you play like this that you will call the river with? That's what I'm asking.
Cant think of too many hands Id play like this at all so not sure how to answer this really. I guess I might play AQ like this but Im not calling river with it.

Now you tell me what hand villian has that cant beat the A and A that he plays like that. So far Ive only heard AJ which I guess makes some sense but Im not sure he always value bets that otr.

Last edited by Texas Chuck; 08-31-2010 at 11:47 PM. Reason: or 3 bets it pre for that matter
09-01-2010 , 01:55 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Texas Chuck
Cant think of too many hands Id play like this at all so not sure how to answer this really. I guess I might play AQ like this but Im not calling river with it.

Now you tell me what hand villian has that cant beat the A and A that he plays like that. So far Ive only heard AJ which I guess makes some sense but Im not sure he always value bets that otr.
Do you seriously believe that even the VERY BEST HSMTT REGULARS never have a wide enough range here to make this a call?
You seem to think everyone adheres to some strict guidelines on how to play poker. The villain in this hand probably isn't even very good, and likely isn't even a regular, so why should we assume he can never be value betting worse like Q8s or bluffing with a hand like A9?
If you want to be successful in this game you have to open your mind to the possibility that MANY people are not good at poker, because if you don't think so, why bother playing a game where you have no edge?
And to revert, if you think villain has a range so tight that we can fold AA in this spot on the river, then not 4 betting preflop is an ENORMOUS mistake!

Cliffnotes-
People suck at poker!
We have AA in a headsup pot!
We are getting nearly 3:1!
CALL!!!
09-01-2010 , 12:19 PM
Dfish,

I agree with 4 bet pre as stated in my first post itt but I think villian's range is value hands only here. You however think that Q8s and A9 are in his range which would make flatting > 4 betting
09-01-2010 , 02:09 PM
I mean come on how are we not 4betting pre? I mean wtf we're gonna try to play a pot OOP 200bbs deep with AA without the initiative b/c we want to keep his range as wide as possible? That's like a recipe for disaster.. if you were the button or something then sure I could at least understand it but I can't think its a good idea OOP
09-01-2010 , 02:21 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Texas Chuck
Dfish,

I agree with 4 bet pre as stated in my first post itt but I think villian's range is value hands only here. You however think that Q8s and A9 are in his range which would make flatting > 4 betting
I'm done trying to rationalize things for you, because you just get defensive and fail to see the simple facts. I wish you the best of luck.
09-01-2010 , 02:30 PM
gadarene,

wait up as I slowly slink back out of here with my tail between my legs...

Dfish,

I was actually sincere in all my posts itt and wasnt intending to be defensive. I apologize for any offense given.
09-01-2010 , 02:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Texas Chuck
gadarene,

wait up as I slowly slink back out of here with my tail between my legs...

Dfish,

I was actually sincere in all my posts itt and wasnt intending to be defensive. I apologize for any offense given.
Reading comprehension tho
09-02-2010 , 03:39 PM
1111 pre for sure
as played, bet 625 on turn
as played, definitely check call river
09-03-2010 , 01:33 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gadarene
What does it accomplish?
Bloating the pot when we have the best hand in hold them?
09-03-2010 , 10:44 AM
i personally would 4bet pre, as played pre tho never donk lead into him..
as played i call river but im not thrilled about it
09-03-2010 , 04:26 PM
dont fold!
09-03-2010 , 09:27 PM
call

so which set did he have?

      
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