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12-09-2014 , 01:14 PM

Elvis

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This is from a live $260 tournament at the Hustler Casino here in LA.

Blinds: 1000/2000 ante 300
Average stack: 75k
There are 60 players left with 27 prizes.

I am sitting at a loose table with 90% of the hands going to the flop. I have been card dead for a while and have 29k.

Then I get dealt A-8 of diamonds in MP and it is folded to me. I raise to 5500 and get called by the button and the BB, both loose players with big stacks.

Flop: J 5 3 rainbow (one diamond)

BB checks and it's my turn. What should I do here? (If I check, the button will bet almost every time.)

12-09-2014 , 04:53 PM

beauvanlaanen

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i am just open shoving pre here. as played i think you can just shove this flop and hope to get 2 folds

12-09-2014 , 10:05 PM

Scrover

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Quote:

Originally Posted by beauvanlaanen

i am just open shoving pre here. as played i think you can just shove this flop and hope to get 2 folds

+1, about it when it comes to this hand.

12-09-2014 , 10:48 PM

Elvis

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Thanks for your replies. I shoved on the flop and both called... The button had flopped a set of threes, not sure what the BB had, and I was out.

12-09-2014 , 10:55 PM

ChiefBlackfoot

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Hand plays better as a jam pre on this flop I'm close between c/back or shove

12-14-2014 , 11:00 PM

rizasutton

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Jam pre

12-17-2014 , 03:23 PM

MakingMoves

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Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 589

Don't jam pre. That's the non thinking mans' way of playing the hand. Min raise instead.

It comes down to how you and the button perceive each other in regards to whether or not you should cbet.

If you get credit for a strong range here, bet 10k~. If not check fold.

If you expect BU to be flatting wide, bet 10k~. If not check fold.

It's a combination of the above factors. BB is fairly irrelevant but adds a slightly higher percentage to check fold being better.

Readless, I'm check folding and saving my stack for a real ship or fold spot pre.

12-26-2014 , 04:30 AM

rm81

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jam pre.

Flop you can give up or maybe bet like 9k and fold

12-26-2014 , 05:36 PM

jimbobwe00

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shove pre>minraise>fold>>>>5500 pre

I give up on the flop. There's going to be a lot of Jx and probably some 66-99 and our equity isn't really that great

12-26-2014 , 11:12 PM

#10

kleath

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MakingMoves

non thinking man here, so lets get this plan clear... with said dynamics you play right at it for the minimum, limit them to every option possible, when seeing 3 is probable and multiway equity not plausible, fit or fold becomes profitable definitions of returns diminishin when pre-approved by a beautiful mind is a useful synonym for this preflop obstacle

12-26-2014 , 11:49 PM

#11

I_C_YA_KARDZ

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Join Date: Dec 2014 Posts: 276

I think check fold is the right move here, save your chips for a big hand / nice flop.

12-27-2014 , 10:22 PM

#12

MakingMoves

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Quote:

Originally Posted by kleath

Ur an idiot

12-28-2014 , 10:43 AM

#13

kleath

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It's actually you're, not ur, but since it really does seem like you have the intelligence of an 11 year old girl it makes sense that you'd type like one, sorry to any 11 year old girls offended by the comparison. Please post more horrendous strategy where you put 10 sentences into 6 paragraphs, maybe ill become less of an idiot if I get more gems like "It comes down to how you and the button perceive each other in regards to whether or not you should cbet." Thanks phil galfond

12-28-2014 , 04:15 PM

#14

MakingMoves

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Ur an idiot

12-29-2014 , 06:04 AM

#15

ChiefBlackfoot

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kleath krummages

12-30-2014 , 10:05 AM

#16

Silverhawk

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Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 16

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefBlackfoot

kleath krummages

Check. if the button bets and the BB calls it's a clear fold. If the BB folds, then shove. If they both check you have a shot to hit your hand.

I think a shove here with your stack (12 BB) is a mistake.

12-30-2014 , 10:26 PM

#17

SuperDuperTilt

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Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 338

I like the check or min raise. Open shoving doesn't make a lot of sense if the blinds have u covered. The hand is kind of face up as Ax or a mid pair, and u missed the board. Save the chips for a spot in position or a big pair.

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