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99 UTG with 15 bbs in 750k gtd 99 UTG with 15 bbs in 750k gtd

10-31-2010 , 11:11 PM
Full Tilt Poker $750,000 Guarantee No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t200/t400 Blinds + t50 - 9 players
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BTN: t8703 M = 8.29
SB: t1225 M = 1.17
BB: t21941 M = 20.90
Hero (UTG): t5847 M = 5.57
UTG+1: t7786 M = 7.42
UTG+2: t10246 M = 9.76
MP1: t20089 M = 19.13
MP2: t33178 M = 31.60
CO: t8417 M = 8.02

Pre Flop: (t1050) Hero is UTG with 9 9
Hero raises to t950, 2 folds, MP1 calls t950, 1 fold, CO calls t950, 1 fold, SB raises to t1175 all in, 1 fold, Hero calls t225, MP1 calls t225, CO calls t225

Flop: (t5550) 4 5 J (4 players - 1 is all in)
Hero checks, MP1 checks, CO checks

Turn: (t5550) 7 (4 players - 1 is all in)
Hero bets t4622 all in, MP1 calls t4622, CO folds

River: (t14794) 8 (3 players - 2 are all in)

My image is pretty TAG, I'm running at 18/11, no reads on 1st flatter, but 2nd flatter had splashed around a bit previously. Should I just be shoving the flop with the amount thats in the middle and my stack? WWYD on the turn as played? Should I be just trying to check it down due to the all in player, or is the iso worth the risk? Thoughts on anything appreciated.

FWIW, on the flop, I was planning on check/folding to the first flatter, and check/calling the splashy guy.
10-31-2010 , 11:13 PM
I'm jamming pre with 99 in this spot
10-31-2010 , 11:23 PM
think the action was closed. i'd rather keep checking
10-31-2010 , 11:24 PM
That's a pretty tough spot. I don't think I would check the flop, then shove the turn. If I'm shoving, I'm doing it on the flop when it looks stronger. Or check flop then check the turn and use your reads on the guys. You switched game plans in the middle of the hand which isn't usually good. Since you checked the flop, you should have continued the plan and used your reads, e.g. fold to a bet from the first flatter, call from the second.

Overall I'm leaning to committing your stack with 99 here. The earlier you commit the stack, the stronger. Waiting to shove the turn was probably the worst time to shove.
10-31-2010 , 11:34 PM
The reason I shoved the turn was that once it gets checked through on the flop, i think i have the best hand a very large % of the time and dont really wanna let overpairs get there. Plus I'm not sure they're gonna bluff the turn after they just passed up the opportunity to just bet the flop in position.
10-31-2010 , 11:49 PM
I'd expect to run into a better hand more often than a worse hand calls you. Don't think theres enough value in shoving for protection
10-31-2010 , 11:58 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ndahlhoff10
I'd expect to run into a better hand more often than a worse hand calls you. Don't think theres enough value in shoving for protection
Quote:
Originally Posted by jon_midas
Plus I'm not sure they're gonna bluff the turn after they just passed up the opportunity to just bet the flop in position.

Both of these are reasons why shoving the turn isn't too ideal. You still have a 10-bb stack and in this tournament that's enough to be able to hold out for clearer opportunities to double up. I'd go the conservative route since you didn't shove earlier and avoid shoving for protection since the other two guys have indicated that they won't bluff.
11-01-2010 , 12:10 AM
Shove pre. As played I like post flop.
11-01-2010 , 12:23 AM
Easy shove pre.
11-01-2010 , 01:03 AM
just open shove pre with 5.5M
11-01-2010 , 07:49 AM
All in before the community cards
11-01-2010 , 02:49 PM
ram pre
mini bet flop
11-01-2010 , 02:53 PM
Shoving pre should always be your move here.
11-02-2010 , 12:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jymaster11
All in before the community cards
x2
11-02-2010 , 09:48 PM
REALLY?
11-02-2010 , 11:08 PM
+1 to jam pre. Are we jamming ATss or 88 here as well?
11-03-2010 , 01:52 AM
+4 Jam pre

As played, I'm bet/calling flop on the small side. It looks committing but can get value from AK hands, push out other random overs w/ an A, and induce spastic betting patterns from villain!
11-03-2010 , 07:39 AM
I prefer to open ( as you did ) instead of shoving preflop . Although once SB's reopen the betting , not shoving/isolate is a huge/gigantic mistake ; calling with 12BB's already in the pot and having yourself just about the same left is utter terrible and makes no sense . I am surprised you actually called there .
The fact that your image is TAG makes it even worse.

Last edited by alekhine11; 11-03-2010 at 07:54 AM.
11-03-2010 , 07:50 AM
SB DOES NOT REOPEN THE BETTING
11-03-2010 , 08:01 AM
ppl tend to answer hard post flop questing by "shove pre"

i dont tend to shove pre any stuck above 10-12bb... mainly cuz i feel i can outplay most opponents post flop...

1. its easier to get extra bets from ppl that u r winning
2. its do-able to make some better hands fold, i feel that there is room with 15bb stuck to do so
3. u lose anyway to monsters that would call u anyway...
4. ppl dont call raises from SS with speculative hands anyway in order to just "protect" yourself by shoving...

and generally shoving pre marginal hands is +++varaince move

on the specific hand i would be very tempted to shove flop... but i would cheack it down also and fold to a bet..

Last edited by HPAnigma; 11-03-2010 at 08:14 AM.
11-03-2010 , 08:27 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Doorbread
SB DOES NOT REOPEN THE BETTING
???
11-03-2010 , 08:35 AM
SB shove is less than a min raise
11-03-2010 , 10:32 AM
Sorry , thanks .

It explains quite well why OP did not reshove
11-03-2010 , 10:59 AM
i do think this is right around the threshold where i prefer openshoving pre rather than r/?.

postflop is a weird spot though. im kinda tempted to just c/f it down given the dry sidepot. i think that will not only make people less likely to bluff (so we don't have to worry as much about folding the best hand on the turn), but might also make them more likely to check the flop with top pair, because fish are obsessed with the whole implicit collusion thing of checking down dry sidepots.
11-03-2010 , 12:32 PM
I like the jam but when u get called I have to imagine it has to be by a set, 1010, 88. Of which your only ahead of 1 of these hands. Probably would have cont bet on the flop or even jammed the flop.

      
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