while i can admit i messed up the flop. i'll stand by preflop, and fight for my odds in the pot, especially having already invested a whole 100 chips. i cant see a spot being "tough" enough to ever not want to play my odds.

i also cant see shoving turn. but i do like the idea of checking with the plan to overbet river if he checks back (really liked that suggestion)

in the end we both checked river and he showed me

shocking turn of events! guess i misread this hand when I said JBL he had KK, when he had AA instead. #pipped

That is probably one of the strangest ways to play AA pre that I've ever seen. Talk about putting yourself in a difficult position on all streets.

yea this whole post ravages, especially the first part, pre is an absolute abomination and you really can't just brush that aside

pre is the sort of thing that button clicky circuit reg dolt from your other thread thinks is ok to do

considering a BB squeeze (almost never), even factoring playing OOP versus 5 players, i think my odds are direct


give me your reason(s), besides a post that doesnt make sense "ravaging". which i entirely disagree with and think is entirely someone's opinion, and not a good one at that.

if you want to disagree, please, prove it


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again, i'll admit flop was a mistake on my part, BUT to say preflop is bad i think is a clear difference in the way (we, some of HSMTT) approach poker

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i also hardly think turn is "clicking buttons". if i were to bet versus check (which i agree makes sense in the line young_diam provided to me), why does a different size make sense? again, prove it. i gave my reasons, give yours

Ok, you're out of position 5 ways 260bb deep with a hand that can never make the nuts (yes I know quads and tt6xx boards are a thing but gtfo). There is no ante so our price pre isn't even that good, which means we have to make up that value post, and we don't have good implied odds oop multiway with a hand that cannot make nuts. This is a fundamental mistake even if we know the bb literally never squeezes.

The way to take advantage of wsop main dolts is not to start making a bunch of fundamental errors pre because you can outplay them post or whatever. As evidenced by this hand, if you spot your opponents both position and better playable postflop hands than you it actually becomes quite difficult to outplay them, even if they're withered old men. Stick to solid fundamentals, sure you can expand your ranges but do it with hands that can make the nuts in good positions. (Something like 85s from the button is far, far less egregious than this)

Turn and river we have no idea at all where we stand. Does he have a higher draw? Kj for the nuts? Set? Overpair? We're oop just stone guessing, which is what he meant by clicking buttons

I do find it hilarious that he accused you of playing "crap like j8" mid-hand when kj, a perfectly reasonable hand, made the nuts. Idk how much reliable info we can glean from this, but if you think it caps his range at {non nuts} then perhaps over bet jamming the river is your best option

Also Clayton is an og boss you should heed his words

im pretty washed up tbh

I think there is some consolation in the fact that Villain played the hand much worse than you did.

you helped set me straight many times in HSMTT threads when I was a young dolt coming up in the world. Just want to make sure the new generation recognizes

T6s can flop a straight flush. I confidently risk 250 tournament chips with a hand that can flop a straight flush at this price at almost all main event tables.

Also, now that I finally turned a profit in the main, my advice is more meaningful!!!! RESULTS

I busted day one this year so you win

I think these types of hands are fine to play in shorter handed pots or in better positions, but when we're oop 6 ways with a hand with no nut potential our postflop spots will always be quite pittsy

I call pre with little thought from the SB 6 ways.

I fold flop with less thought required than pre.

I am lifetime positive 80% ROI in the ME.





yes, 1 for 1 with a min-cash!

I think Villain saw that hero (and potentially button or BB as well) was splashy and was hoping for a squeeze pre (that never came), so he could then go for a good old NY backraise.

Preflop call with AA is w/e. But raising this flop 6-way...

So called because it was common in NY games, as indicated by this thread from 2007 about a live 25/50 NL hand.

http://archives1.twoplustwo.com/show...0&fpart=1&vc=1

And these articles in French from 2009, 2010, and 2011.

http://www.ruedesjoueurs.com/poker/a...ack-raise.html

https://fr.pokernews.com/poker-forum/topic18411/

http://www.kuzeo.com/poker/2349/new-...raise-au-poker

jam river

sick level by munk here imo

folding pre, only reason to call pre with this hand is hoping to get 789hhh or quads or TT7

200 pre ente in the main event... no thx