friend of mine played this hand

1st level, blinds 25/50 friend has 6k, Waco has 5k

folds to Waco on btn he raises to 150, sb folds, friend calls in bb with 55

flop: Q T 5 r (325)

friend checks, Waco bets 225, call

turn: 3 completes rainbow (775)

friend checks, Waco bets 425, friend raises to 1150, Waco calls after a minute

river: K (3075)

what do you do, and dyou do anything differently on other streets?

c/r flop

2400-ish on the river

you can c/r flop but it looks ok. ~2300 on the river

Hero's hand is so faceup that I'm leaning toward check/folding the river.

this is suggesting that both hero and villain are absolutely terrible

^^ In my experience most people aren't terribly concerned in the first level of a major live MTT with balancing their c/c c/very small raise on super-dry board ranges. If Waco knows Hero and thinks he's a psycho-LAG, then fine, bet the river and hope he calls with AK (which he felt was good on the turn).

What do you think the ranges are for Hero and Waco after the turn?

fold preflop, check / raise the flop, as played just bet the river

Fold pf is rlty bad here IMO waco is opening such a wide range if you don't want to call than 3bet.

i dont mind a 3 bet bc its gonna be really easy to play postflop, stil though, even though waco is opening really wide im still not sure calling is profitbale

I bet the flop on the theory that this has a good chance of hitting him somehow and go from there.

once we get here this way, whatever you do that doesn't involve folding is fine.

if your friend is unknown to waco i like leading the flop as i think he shuts down on the check raise with a very wide range to someone he has no reads on or thinks is random.

how can u possibly fold any pair pf so deep.

folding preflop is ******ed

c/r flop is my std but c/c is fine
turn is good as played
bet river

I sorta aree with you though tbh in cash vs tough players especially if im in the SB and the BB squeezes a lot I'll fold small pairs for 100bbs here.

wat? This seems unbelievably weak imo.

I haven't played much with Waco (never live), but I like the line and betting 2kish on the river.

pls c/r this flop! 1. what others said, if you do this on the turn, your hand is face up whereas the flop c/r always can be read as (semi-)bluff 2. what if he has something like AK, AT, etc. and check behind that f* turn? that would be horrible!

I think folding preflop is tottally optimal vs the best player at the table, I hate set mining out o position against players that play well postflop and are good hand readers. Agame please explain to me why folding pre is terrible?

Because of hands like this one.

Why does everybody assume that because you have 100+ bb's in a tourney it can be equally compared to having 100+ bb's in a cash game. Doubling up early in an mtt and crippling/knocking out possibly the only threat at your starting table is soooooooooooooooooooooooo much more valuable than doubling up at a cash table.

Not to mention the differences in just how the play in a hand will differ greatly from cash games to tournaments. While Waco will c-bet a ton on flops, he probably won't fire too many 2nd barrels with air if you do happen to show some resistance. I'm sure early he's going to want to preserve his stack for trying to bust donkeys and not for firing multiple times with air into competent players. I mean 55 isn't exactly 22, you can continue on some flops without making a set. You could even donk the flop or c/c flop and donk the turn and pick it up sometimes due to waco lethargy.

And eagles, folding small pp's in the sb and the bb are very different. I don't think early deepstacked in an mtt I would fold one in either position, because I don't expect random players in the bb to squeeze often at all early in a donkument. But, it's at least a little more acceptable. In the bb you complete the action and are guaranteed to see a cheap flop.

ok you people are officially nuts. Folding preflop is crazy this deep. And Todd, plz tell me youre kidding. c/f the river? b/f maybe. but c/f? lol live pros.

Also, c/r the flop seems bad in a vacuum as you're actually narrowing your range b/c you're c/c QJ KQ all tens and most draws imo. I like c/c flop. then bet turn bet river.

Why isn't the CR on the turn attempting to build a pot big enough to shove into on the river?

Fold is very weak. Call is standard. Why would we 3bet this preflop?
I also prefer a check/raise on the flop. We do need to build a pot and it looks bluffier on the flop than on the turn.
I agree with krmont22, we should try to set up a river shove.
On the river I don't understand why folding is even considered?

adanthar, can you elaborate on why a bet is better than a c/r on the flop? If it hit him we get 2 bets either way, but I think we get more with a c/r.

i like donking turn just incase he checks. Then you can make a big bluffy river bet.
This way you can build pot and not risk losing bets anywhere. It also disguises your hand and you may get called just cos line makes you seem donkish.
I don't think levels are that long? Sets are pretty much goldmines and i think any opp to make one at right price should be taken.

OK obviously betting river is best here, but lets say he checked again and Waco shoved
we snap it off right?

I'm trying to think what is more hilarious folding preflop or check folding river.

Its really close.

Board: 3s 5h Td Qc Kd
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 40.000% 40.00% 00.00% 18 0.00 { QQ, TT, KQs, KQo }
Hand 1: 60.000% 60.00% 00.00% 27 0.00 { 55 }