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06-15-2008 , 06:19 PM
WSOP sat, average is around 15k, i have 8k. Table is sick soft, alot of limping and ******ation. We are way out from the money, 100 left and 6 packages

folds to BU he limps for 400 at 200/400/25. He has 14k and is v passive/loose fish. SB completes. I have 69o in the BB and shove. Thoughts?




Party 300k guaranteed, I have 6k or so. blinds are 200/400 no ante

Folds to HJ with 15k, raises to 1200. 14/11 over 2h hands. I shoe over a 3bb BU raise last orbit in BB and he folded. I'm on BU. What range can I re shove?
fwiw I shoved K7s, good or bad?
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06-16-2008 , 02:23 PM
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06-16-2008 , 02:36 PM
I hate the first shove.

Dont like 2nd either, shove like KQs, AT+, 77+
06-19-2008 , 09:14 PM
one more bump, interested mostly in opinions on the first one, I think the second one sucks now
06-20-2008 , 11:27 AM
Why do you shove the first hand for over 20bb?
06-20-2008 , 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by rubenrtv
I hate the first shove.

Dont like 2nd either, shove like KQs, AT+, 77+
Hey now, I don't necessarily love the first shove, or the second one. But, what you just suggested isn't a re-steal at all. He's looking for re-steal ranges, I believe. What you provided is a shove for value range.

IMO KTs+, A6s+, 55+ should be close based on your read of villain and how you stated he folded to a 3bb shove earlier against you. I'm pretty aggro though, so this may not be your style and maybe you like his shoving range better.
06-20-2008 , 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Praetor

folds to BU he limps for 400 at 200/400/25. He has 14k and is v passive/loose fish. SB completes. I have 69o in the BB and shove. Thoughts?
the problem with loose-passive players is that they are loose and passive. they limp with TT (because they are not sure if it is good with so many players behind and without even seeing a flop yet which could show up with an A or a K....) but have no problem to call a shove with them ("TT is a very strong hand"...)
06-20-2008 , 01:10 PM
obviously I run into a big hand now and again, but its a question of how often this guy folds, including folding hands up to 99 or AQ type hands, and my equity even against the calling range.
06-20-2008 , 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by sickofitall
the problem with loose-passive players is that they are loose and passive. they limp with TT (because they are not sure if it is good with so many players behind and without even seeing a flop yet which could show up with an A or a K....) but have no problem to call a shove with them ("TT is a very strong hand"...)
this.....seen it happen way to often on a passive table.
06-20-2008 , 01:21 PM
#1 - id prefer to shove with somekind of value, kinda treat it like a resteal, since loose fish will limp with A7 and call a 20bb shove from the blinds. really wouldnt hate it if u shove like T9s cuz ur equity against whatever they might call u with isnt bad.

#2 - bad shove but ur aware of that. hes never folding unless hes a complete moran so u have to shove for value. shoving range should prob be something like: 22+, A8+, KT+, QJs.

      
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