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1k wsop- how bad was this call? 1k wsop- how bad was this call?

06-15-2010 , 11:26 PM
Day 1a (doing 2 day ones for this tourney) of wsop 1k, started with 1900+, we are down to 295, and 290 are making it into day 2, which will be Monday (the day I scheduled to fly out of town)...so I am in double up/or go home mode at this point, I dont feel like coming back with an M of 6 or less.. Oh, and day 2 does NOT mean you are in the $$$.

Very tough table, with multiple online pros, and the villain here is a guy over 50 who is a former WSOP bracelet winner (albeit in PLO) who has shoved 3 times in last 12 hands with 77,77, and 10-4 (bb vs. sb)...he is also in double up or go home mode and has said as much multiple times...

so... blinds are 300/600 with 75 ante.. if I do come back to day 2, I get another half hour at that level, and then it goes to 400/800/100

i have about 9k, villain has 7500 (avg is about 16k).

I raise UTG+1 to 1500 w/ AJss

he's next to act and shoves all-in.

I'm guessing most would prolly just say to open-shove..but as is, is this a fold or call?
06-15-2010 , 11:43 PM
shove pre...


as played call happily
06-16-2010 , 12:07 AM
call, especially given the dynamics you described
06-16-2010 , 12:36 AM
nit-roll this guy obv
06-16-2010 , 12:40 AM
fold. not really close at all. AQ would be a little closer, but even that is probably a fold.

I'd probably muck this pre or make a small raise like you did. Open shoving 15 bb deep here is a leak.
06-16-2010 , 12:49 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by slik
fold. not really close at all. AQ would be a little closer, but even that is probably a fold.

I'd probably muck this pre or make a small raise like you did. Open shoving 15 bb deep here is a leak.
this isnt a 100r... i think this can/will show up with Axs rly often
06-16-2010 , 04:00 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by slik
fold. not really close at all. AQ would be a little closer, but even that is probably a fold.

I'd probably muck this pre or make a small raise like you did. Open shoving 15 bb deep here is a leak.
this whole post is a leak
06-16-2010 , 04:04 AM
if you wanna double up or go home, just do it?
06-17-2010 , 02:37 AM
open shove pre
as played call
06-17-2010 , 03:45 AM
Open shove. Don't you think he might be saying he's in a double up or go home mode to get called light? Shoving 10-4 into the BB isn't all that indicative.
And if you really just wanted to double up or go home you would have snap called and not thought twice about it.
06-17-2010 , 05:55 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dana Gordon
open shove pre
as played call
Yeah
06-19-2010 , 11:32 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RinconWoah
Open shove. Don't you think he might be saying he's in a double up or go home mode to get called light? Shoving 10-4 into the BB isn't all that indicative.
And if you really just wanted to double up or go home you would have snap called and not thought twice about it.
This post.
06-19-2010 , 01:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by slik
fold. not really close at all. AQ would be a little closer, but even that is probably a fold.

I'd probably muck this pre or make a small raise like you did. Open shoving 15 bb deep here is a leak.
r/f 15bbs w/AQ. lol

Just shove. Not particularly close either given your mindset/stack size/dynamic.

edit: as played obv call

Last edited by taaffey; 06-19-2010 at 01:30 PM. Reason: as played
06-19-2010 , 02:21 PM
How are you enjoying being back home
06-19-2010 , 03:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by slik
fold. not really close at all. AQ would be a little closer, but even that is probably a fold.

I'd probably muck this pre or make a small raise like you did. Open shoving 15 bb deep here is a leak.
When you are called, you are often behind
06-21-2010 , 08:36 AM
what about a limp/shove preflop if a raise? if no raise play your hand according the flop? i'll prolly get grilled for this but just a thought.
06-22-2010 , 03:34 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Villian1
what about a limp/shove preflop if a raise? if no raise play your hand according the flop? i'll prolly get grilled for this but just a thought.
limp / shove is way better than an open shove, if a laggy player raises you once you limp. generally, a 15 bb stack commits too large a % of your stack if you raise / fold, and AJ is not a strong enough hand to get 15 bb in pre from early position.
06-22-2010 , 03:37 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by slik
fold. not really close at all. AQ would be a little closer, but even that is probably a fold.

I'd probably muck this pre or make a small raise like you did. Open shoving 15 bb deep here is a leak.
you monkeys that want to raise/call AJ from UTG, realize that an UTG+1 player with basically no fold equity shoved and not just some random player or are you all that oblivious to stack sizes and seat positions :-/.
06-22-2010 , 03:51 AM
agree with everyone saying open shove and snap off as played

lol @ slik's posts. you're leveling, right?
06-22-2010 , 07:46 AM
I ship this always, Sheet's chart suggests pushing with less than AJs is correct, Harrington's book disagrees. When I go by the chart, I lose, when I go by Harrington, I win, but I still have faith in the chart. Honestly, 10 handed UTG, fold is probably best, I'd never fold it though.

The way you played it, and with the "modes" you described, I snap call (not trying to knock you down, I'm also in these "modes" most of the time, they're costing me a pretty penny)

In a normal situation, where people aren't playing in "modes", I guess you can fold this to the 3 bet, I don't like it at all with your stack, but you aren't raising from a steal position, so it's likely the old guy expects to get called, therefore it's likely he has a hand that crushes yours.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Doorbread
How are you enjoying being back home
lol

Last edited by DIESEL PPP; 06-22-2010 at 07:59 AM. Reason: .
06-22-2010 , 07:25 PM
9k/1600 < 6M...shove is standard...is slik serious?
06-22-2010 , 07:48 PM
sick induce. pretty high on the fist pump scale.
06-23-2010 , 06:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Karak
agree with everyone saying open shove and snap off as played

lol @ slik's posts. you're leveling, right?
I'd have to have some pretty strong reads that my opponents are bad in a way to call off 15 bb with weaker aces for me to shove AJs UTG. Pretty standard open-fold preflop, especially live where people's calling ranges are even tighter than ordinary.
06-23-2010 , 08:03 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dana Gordon
open shove pre
as played call
Yah this, seems like the best plan given meta conditions.

      
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