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02-15-2012 , 11:25 AM
This hand is from the 1k tuesday, villian is run dat game who as far as I know is pretty nuts and most likely views me as pretty LAG/Spewy. The UTG opener in this hand was being pretty absurd, he had been at this table for 51 hands playing 61/44 with a raise first of >70% and had folded to a 3bet 3/4 times.

My original plan was to 4bet/call it off because I think I have a larger 4bet/fold range than most regs and run dat game is going to perceive my 4bet as pretty oi due to the dynamic with the UTG raise. Then he clicks it back, is anybody shipping here? Is there any merit to flatting seeing we're getting like a gazillion to one? What if we were suited? It sucks so hard because I was hoping that'd he'd 5bet bluff but now he is forcing me to either ship AQ as a bluff or fold.

One sidenote, I did think he would be flatting his premiums a decent portion of the the time because UTG was opening soo wide and folding to 3bets pretty frequently.

PokerStars Hand #75610778964: Tournament #560010001, $1000+$50 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (75/150) - 2012/02/15 1:26:41 CET [2012/02/14 19:26:41 ET]
Table '560010001 31' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: Tyren0 (7664 in chips)
Seat 2: poluyter (4115 in chips)
Seat 3: risk2Dupside (4506 in chips)
Seat 4: softcored (5747 in chips)
Seat 5: Bananazoo (6773 in chips)
Seat 6: DONTSTAKEME (7843 in chips)
Seat 7: ale3560 (2674 in chips)
Seat 8: Run dat Game (7485 in chips)
Seat 9: CesarSPA (5454 in chips)
Tyren0: posts the ante 20
poluyter: posts the ante 20
risk2Dupside: posts the ante 20
softcored: posts the ante 20
Bananazoo: posts the ante 20
DONTSTAKEME: posts the ante 20
ale3560: posts the ante 20
Run dat Game: posts the ante 20
CesarSPA: posts the ante 20
softcored: posts small blind 75
Bananazoo: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Tyren0 [Qs Ad]
DONTSTAKEME: raises 150 to 300
ale3560: folds
Run dat Game: raises 425 to 725
CesarSPA: folds
Tyren0: raises 600 to 1325
poluyter: folds
risk2Dupside: folds
softcored: folds
Bananazoo: folds
DONTSTAKEME: folds
Run dat Game: raises 600 to 1925
Hero....?
02-15-2012 , 11:37 AM
fyp. Sorry don't have anything to add as I don't play these stakes.



    Poker Stars, $1,000 Buy-in (75/150 blinds, 20 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
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    Hero (MP3): 7,664 (51.1 bb)
    CO: 4,115 (27.4 bb)
    BTN: 4,506 (30 bb)
    SB: 5,747 (38.3 bb)
    BB: 6,773 (45.2 bb)
    UTG+1: 7,843 (52.3 bb)
    UTG+2: 2,674 (17.8 bb)
    MP1: 7,485 (49.9 bb)
    MP2: 5,454 (36.4 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is MP3 with Q A
    UTG+1 raises to 300, UTG+2 folds, MP1 raises to 725, MP2 folds, Hero raises to 1,325, 5 folds, MP1 raises to 1,925




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    02-15-2012 , 11:59 AM
    I dont think he has too many bluffs/marginal hands here as anything pretty/big and connected/smallish and paired, hes iso'ing the monkey with is likely gonna flat your 4bet or fold.

    I also dont think he has a 5bet/fold range here despite the funky dynamic and probably jams stuff like JJ/TT if he thinks you could be lighter than normal. Just looks like hes plain old inducing.
    02-15-2012 , 12:53 PM
    as played i think i'd hood flat, but i'm not a big fan of the initial 4 bet for various reasons. I don't think he's ever going to shove light on you here so your original plan seems bad.
    02-15-2012 , 01:04 PM
    So would you coldcall or fold?
    02-15-2012 , 01:07 PM
    i could argue about folding 1st time...e z fold now i don't think run dat is so spewy
    02-15-2012 , 01:45 PM
    In this spot I prefer the flat>4bet.
    02-15-2012 , 03:07 PM
    easy fold the first time, i guess call now
    02-15-2012 , 04:25 PM
      Poker Stars, $1,000 Buy-in (75/150 blinds, 20 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #11893012

      Hero (MP3): 7,664 (51.1 bb)
      poluyter (CO): 4,115 (27.4 bb)
      risk2Dupside (BTN): 4,506 (30 bb)
      softcored (SB): 5,747 (38.3 bb)
      Bananazoo (BB): 6,773 (45.2 bb)
      DONTSTAKEME (UTG+1): 7,843 (52.3 bb)
      ale3560 (UTG+2): 2,674 (17.8 bb)
      Run dat Game (MP1): 7,485 (49.9 bb)
      CesarSPA (MP2): 5,454 (36.4 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is MP3 with Q A
      DONTSTAKEME raises to 300, ale3560 folds, Run dat Game raises to 725, CesarSPA folds, Hero raises to 1,325, 5 folds, Run dat Game raises to 1,925, Hero calls 600

      Flop: (4,555) 6 6 K (2 players)
      Run dat Game bets 750




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      Ok so I hooded, now what? :P I think I like hooding much better when I'm suited.
      02-15-2012 , 05:03 PM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by J0hnny_Dr@m@
      i could argue about folding 1st time...e z fold now i don't think run dat is so spewy
      i agree 100% with this. knowing all the gameflow ita 100% 4bet with AQ here imo, and also fold to 5bet to ran dat game
      02-15-2012 , 06:20 PM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by leitalopez
      i agree 100% with this. knowing all the gameflow ita 100% 4bet with AQ here imo, and also fold to 5bet to ran dat game
      you may be onto something here
      02-15-2012 , 06:27 PM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by aseHigh
      you may be onto something here
      i missundestoodthe first part of dr@m@'s coment, i thought he mean to 4bet allways.. leita: bad english
      02-15-2012 , 06:39 PM
      "you maybe on to smth here"? what does this mean exactly? sorry but i thoght i undestood it at the beggining but now i think i am not sure ty
      02-16-2012 , 05:32 AM
      fold pre, as played no good player spews here, fold again
      02-16-2012 , 09:28 AM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by leitalopez
      "you maybe on to smth here"? what does this mean exactly? sorry but i thoght i undestood it at the beggining but now i think i am not sure ty
      it was kind of a joke, if I have to explain it then it's probably not a very good one
      02-16-2012 , 05:27 PM
      I remember this spot...RDG's stats were like 10/8/2 or something close to that over the first 50 hands or so, he hadn't taken advantage of the laggy opener once up until this point, the guy had been calling some threebets, all up thought this was a fold and thought RDG had it almost always.
      02-16-2012 , 09:24 PM
      I think we're not supposed to be talking about regs tendencies, but I don't think run dat game is that aggro. Also I've noticed that when he 3bets to 725 he has AA/KK, when he 3bets to 750 he's bluffing, when he 3bets to 800 he has AK, and when he folds he never has AA/KK.
      02-16-2012 , 10:18 PM
      I think I would flat the 3 bet giving table dynamics. If not I'm folding to the 5 bet pre. also going to fold this flop lol. Not feeling spewy these days :P
      02-16-2012 , 11:43 PM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by Pghfan987
      I think we're not supposed to be talking about regs tendencies, but I don't think run dat game is that aggro. Also I've noticed that when he 3bets to 725 he has AA/KK, when he 3bets to 750 he's bluffing, when he 3bets to 800 he has AK, and when he folds he never has AA/KK.
      lol
      02-16-2012 , 11:57 PM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by Kramerica
      as played i think i'd hood flat, but i'm not a big fan of the initial 4 bet for various reasons. I don't think he's ever going to shove light on you here so your original plan seems bad.
      my thoughts exactly.

      why do we flat ? what do we rep ?
      02-17-2012 , 01:23 AM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by 1banditpanda
      my thoughts exactly.

      why do we flat ? what do we rep ?
      AQ

            
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