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162$: weird KK hand against P0KERPR0 162$: weird KK hand against P0KERPR0

10-23-2009 , 08:28 PM
No specific history at the table, but imo P0KERPR0 is one of the weirdest regs. He calls for way more of effective stacks preflop with small pairs and SC than any other reg I have seen, but it works for him.
Thoughts on every street would be appreciated


Full Tilt Poker $60,000 Guarantee No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t30/t60 Blinds - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

BTN: t2710 M = 30.11
SB: t5897 M = 65.52
BB: t6700 M = 74.44
UTG: t11013 M = 122.37
Hero (UTG+1): t5005 M = 55.61
UTG+2: t6720 M = 74.67
MP1: t2370 M = 26.33
MP2: t7740 M = 86
CO: t3280 M = 36.44

Pre Flop: (t90) Hero is UTG+1 with K K
UTG calls t60, Hero raises to t260, 1 fold, MP1 calls t260, 5 folds, UTG calls t200

Flop: (t870) 9 Q 8 (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets t470, MP1 calls t470, UTG folds

Turn: (t1810) 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 checks

River: (t1810) 5 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets t1640 all in, Hero calls t1640
10-23-2009 , 08:36 PM
the only hand you beat in his value range is AQ/KQ otherwise everything gets there and I doubt he shows air the often . SO it should be a ez fold imo
btw I think turn should be a shove ....what's ur plan by checking the turn?
10-23-2009 , 08:55 PM
Doesn't he always jam KQ/AQ on the turn, doesn't he always fold those pre in the first place and doesn't he always have a flush here? I must be missing something...
10-23-2009 , 08:56 PM
he should never have a hand that beats you, unless he completely sucks and screwed up the hand majorly. he shouldnt ever even get to the flop with anything that includes spades since the Qs is on board and the K in your hand, but he might - and if he did, they're all huge draws that should be getting it in on the flop. im having a pretty difficult time imagining him check the turn back with anything that beats you, and an even more difficult time imagining how there could be a 6 in his hand.


if you check/fold kings, you check/fold almost your entire range.

so dont.

i wouldnt be surprised to see him have AQ here and not be sure whether he's bluffing or value betting.
10-23-2009 , 08:58 PM
That's a fair point that there's not many flushdraws in his range either... I guess he must have a set then since he doesn't have a flush/top pair (would he flat JTs pre?) and I really really doubt this is a bluff.

He could have aces as well but you're losing to that too :P
10-23-2009 , 08:59 PM
Turn check is absolutely horrible.

Depends how screwy he really is as to whether the river is a sigh call or sigh fold.

Dont think either is really bad as once you check the turn and river I think hes shoving all Q's for value as well as everything that beats you.
10-23-2009 , 09:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Abbaddabba
he should never have a hand that beats you, unless he completely sucks and screwed up the hand majorly. he shouldnt ever even get to the flop with anything that includes spades since the Qs is on board and the K in your hand, but he might - and if he did, they're all huge draws that should be getting it in on the flop. im having a pretty difficult time imagining him check the turn back with anything that beats you, and an even more difficult time imagining how there could be a 6 in his hand.


if you check/fold kings, you check/fold almost your entire range.

so dont.

i wouldnt be surprised to see him have AQ here and not be sure whether he's bluffing or value betting.
I like this guy. I also think turn is a pretty trivial shove.
10-23-2009 , 10:15 PM
Shove the turn. You're pretty much always good since given the board texture he would raise better on the flop, and you're risking a scare card killing your action by letting it get checked through. I also think your range is widest if you go bet/bet here. I'm guessing his range is mostly AQ/KQ/JJ/TT after he calls the flop.
10-23-2009 , 10:19 PM
Having alot of trouble coming up with value hands for him, all the draws are either too weak to c/c or would generally want to get in the flop, very few 6s he can have even being the pokerpro, seems pretty silly to check back a set 2pr or JT on this board when a ton of rivers kill action or equity, when I first looked i thought fold but Im pretty convinced calling is quite reasonable.


five: I guess he COULD be betting a Q but what worse hands should he anticipate calling him such that its a value shove?

Last edited by kleath; 10-23-2009 at 10:19 PM. Reason: I also agree with jamming turn btw dont see much reason to ck but once we get here...
10-23-2009 , 11:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd Terry
Shove the turn. You're pretty much always good since given the board texture he would raise better on the flop, and you're risking a scare card killing your action by letting it get checked through. I also think your range is widest if you go bet/bet here. I'm guessing his range is mostly AQ/KQ/JJ/TT after he calls the flop.
Agree heaps w/ this.
10-24-2009 , 08:01 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kleath
Having alot of trouble coming up with value hands for him, all the draws are either too weak to c/c or would generally want to get in the flop, very few 6s he can have even being the pokerpro, seems pretty silly to check back a set 2pr or JT on this board when a ton of rivers kill action or equity, when I first looked i thought fold but Im pretty convinced calling is quite reasonable.


five: I guess he COULD be betting a Q but what worse hands should he anticipate calling him such that its a value shove?
Yeah I know what you mean, but OP's line is so weird with anything that beats KQ/AQ or maybe even QJ, so I can imagine PP shoving these for value after the turn and river check.

Mements line looks a lot more like 1010/JJ than it does AA/KK.
10-24-2009 , 08:46 AM
grunching, bet more on flop and shove the turn
10-24-2009 , 08:53 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by fivetypes
Yeah I know what you mean, but OP's line is so weird with anything that beats KQ/AQ or maybe even QJ, so I can imagine PP shoving these for value after the turn and river check.

Mements line looks a lot more like 1010/JJ than it does AA/KK.
Agree, as played I don't see how you can fold on the river.
10-24-2009 , 09:11 AM
yeah agree turn is a pretty easy shove, really bad check on my part, think river is a call too for the reason Kleath and other stated. Thanks for the replies all
10-24-2009 , 09:33 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mement_mori
yeah agree turn is a pretty easy shove, really bad check on my part, think river is a call too for the reason Kleath and other stated. Thanks for the replies all
Rising superstars don't post results?
10-24-2009 , 09:35 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd Terry
Rising superstars don't post results?
T9
10-24-2009 , 10:55 PM
Definitely shove turn
10-25-2009 , 03:37 AM
Guys,

Anyone else think OP bet too little on the flop?

Given all the draws out there shouldn't a bet of say 80% of the pot be more appropriate than the 55% of the pot he actually did bet?

(I am paranoid about my own bet size of 2/3 in live MTT which I think I need to upsize to 80% as people keep chasing against me and hitting)

      
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