Well, I thought seeing a multiway-flop - without being AIPF - with more than one opponent (the UTG opener) was highly unlikely. Only if all others fold, and BB flat, that'd be the only one somewhat likely constellation, I think. But I could still easily shove flop on +90% of possible flop-textures, I guess. Curse and shove on the other 10%, if checked to me, haha. Now I'd mostly get called OTF with any piece in that rare constellation (not AIPF), but ofc also sometimes lose value of hands that would have called a shove pre, but fold OTF. I think the value of that FPS-flat pre (let a third guy hang himself/squeeze shove) and a standard shove only have a marginal difference of value in the long run here, one way, or another...



Poker Stars $100+$9 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t900/t1800 Blinds + t225 - 8 players
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Hero (UTG+1): t22367 M = 4.97
MP1: t15890 M = 3.53
MP2: t26584 M = 5.91
CO: t43644 M = 9.70
BTN: t21873 M = 4.86
SB: t5119 M = 1.14
BB: t18311 M = 4.07
UTG: t25445 M = 5.65

Pre Flop: (t4500) Hero is UTG+1 with A A
UTG raises to t3600, Hero just calls t3600...



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Don't be too harsh with your criticism, or I'll skip all these reg-fests again

I think you can't go too wrong w/ AA and this stack size...

Anything you do will look very strong. I'd prefer to just shove pre because when you just call and there is still all the table to act, if 1 other guy calls all the table feels priced in to call as well and it can createa big multiway pot and your hand may be outflopped.

just shove pre man

I think you rep a lot wider shoving than flatting.

shove pre
1 why give bb correct price to call against aces.
2 why flat and have a chance utg doesnt pay out anymore considering it looks like he'll call a shove pre(since there are three staks smaller than 10bb i.e he has 88 and flop comes 10J4
3. you are not induciing other stacks to steal by shoving weak considering how short everyone is and the fact initial raiser and you are utg and utg+!. noone is gonna squeeze A5ss here

Good point, and my main doubt when flatting. But on the other hand, if you see someone flat with an 11-12bb stack UTG+1, vs UTG, would you really think he could be stupid enough to have AA there?

1+2 are ofc correct, but 1 being unlikely, imo (less than 2/10 times).

I disagree with 3. I expected most players behind us to squeeze-shove with most pocketpairs - depending on their stacksizes - and several leftover Ax combos. This is the reason why I decided to flat. Am I wrong with that line of thought, on a slightly tighter, or more competent table?

In fact, BTN shoved KQo, and UTG called AJo, in this case.


Also, people raise a lot of **** in EP these days, hence get less and less respect for their UTG-ranges, imo. Have seen two r/f's in EP with 10-11bb stacks just in this tournament, both vs only 1 opponent, who shoved (lol_sample-size, less good regs atm etc... I know, but nevertheless some trend/tendency, in general, imo)

i think you are being results orientated. if utg called btns shove here he is def calling your shove aswell pre. but if btn doesnt shove pre and its just you vs utg and he whiffs the flop do you get his full stack?

you don't have a flatting range in this spot, but you do have a range to shove. Why cap your shoving range by not including AA in it?

However stupid it is to have AA here, it's a lot more stupid to have anything else here. So I think most people conclude you have AA here a lot. UTG will almost never fold to your shove, just stick it in.

If most people would think you have aces a lot, why would flatting with suited broadway and often bluffing or semibluffing representing aces be stupid?

This flat with AA and 12xBB is beyond horrible when a push is usually getting called.

Yeah it might be smart, but someone behind with tens is just gonna be like "well if he flatted AA here then so be it". But it could be a decent play, I just don't like making plays that depend on your opponent perceiving it a certain way though.