If you put him on a bunch of draws you should probably raise bigger so he'll jam those draws over your raise. Also any QJ/98 or flushdraw has a profitable call now OOP against you. I also think you're probably leveling yourself a little too much with the openlimp but idunno.

this limp sucks because stacks are awkward, say someone has AJ or ATs or 88 or whatever, they may very well just decide to play a small pot in the blinds, and you miss a ton of value
its true that you may stack some one pair hands but its not very often, and outweighed or atleast only v slightly good when you consider the chance of being outflopped

yeah but he didnt just get moved to this table.

he has history, hes been trying to steal blinds and getting hammered. whenever I get to that kind of a table I just pray for KK...

and you know what I do when I get them Cowboys....I RAISE.

srsly though I think your a good player, not because Ive ever played with you or seen you play but by word of mouth so I respect your opinion.

I dont understand how you are advocating for the open limp, specifically here, but even generally in a tourny. I mean I could def understand a case for it if you are viewed as a random or w/e.

From what I understand though, OP is a reg with reggish stats (prob) and when I see regs open limp in late position and then shove that makes me hella suspicious (not saying that I ever see it cus I dont and I think its ridic exploitable and hard to balance given how often people are just gonna complete AJ and raise AK type hand)

oh and for the flop I think w/e you do is fine with these stacks imo. (obv this changes given tendencies) but all that doesn't matter. Preflop is way more interesting

even if I understand your reasoning behind it I think flatting here is big FPS. just raise something and hope they play back at you. not often you get the pure nuts (aces or kings first in in the CO or BTN late in a tourney).

flop is a must-raise imo, would probably raise slightly less though.

oh woops didnt notice the bet size. yeah I agree you have to raise the flop

i mean look it's not like raising isn't 100% the standard play - all i was saying is that if you have any sort of open limping range (i do), then this isn't a bad play all the time... double ice had a decent point about the stack sizes though, and it's really nice when the blinds (or you) have around 20bb's or so... so i retract liking it with these stack sizes, but with some amount fewer i think it becomes better as people are more likely to stick it in on you lighter.

Isn't that a good reason to raise pre?

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If you are getting action for your raises, why not raise? It's not like they will be scared of your CO raise.

Also, ITM in the 100r, people are going to be suspicious of a limp, particularly if they haven't seen you do it a couple of times before at that table. You probably get 3-bet more often with a raise than your limp gets raised.

If you are raised, do you flat or LRR? The LRR allin is going to be well over a pot raise.

I actually love to limp, but think this is a pretty awful spot to limp a big pair.

prolly 10 people have already said this, but if everyone plays back at you when you open, you SHOULD open when you get a premium hand. It does not take too much of a brain. I mean, wtf/come on, this limp is bad.

ur not durrrr bro

some great posts ITT

I remember 3-handed in the Borgata $5K a few years ago durrrr openlimped JJ OTB and got it in against both players on the flop, one of them made 2 pair in the BB with some **** hand.

If they have been playing back at you isn't that more reason to raise pre? Then if you had been folding to the three bet you could just flat to look frustrated as your 4 bet will probably look pretty strong at that point

I would definitely raise. Not only do I think it's the best play, but it's just so satisfying to 4-ball ship in the face of people who have been playing back heaps. On flop I go a bit bigger.