Roughly 50 left in early Sunday 100r. First caller and BB are both extremely good HSMTTers, both a little on the looser side of TAG in my experience. I've only been at the table a couple orbits, have already folded to a couple 3bets preflop, not much else. Other guy is 22/11 though 87 hands. Curious about what you do on flop the first time, and after checking.

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NL Holdem $6,000(BB) Poker Stars
SB ($150,641)
BB ($337,102)
Hero ($184,493)
UTG+1 ($59,748)
UTG+2 ($249,553)
MP1 ($210,812)
CO ($290,178)
BTN ($161,762)

Dealt to Hero K A

Hero raises to $12,000, fold, fold, MP1 calls $12,000, CO calls $12,000, fold, fold, BB calls $6,000

FLOP ($55,800) J A T

BB checks, Hero checks, MP1 bets $28,500, CO folds, BB folds, Hero???

edit: if you call, what's the plan on a blank turn?

fyl, think I bet flop. Whats turn?

bet/fold flop? Turn was 7c, I check, he bets 40k, I have like 145k left and feel like all options are awful

Well depends what happens. I think you can heavily discount JJ and Aces are unlikely. Though you should still be completely boned to a get it in range (around 20%?) So bet/fold looks fine. Plus if you get a caller you have some good turns or value vs AQ.

As played I curse him and fold, even though he could be betting worse, unless theres any history. I can see calling another though.

I'd check flop and might just fold to that bet. His range pre is pretty damn strong and is all over that board, he's betting into a lot of people on an action board. Plus I'm not really sure what we're hoping will happen after we call. Disagree that JJ can be heavily discounted, I'd flat JJ here vs. you.

Oops I thought it was 3way. Id be much more inclined to c/f if I checked. I still think theres merit to betting though.

I would just C/F as weak as it seems. If you call you're either losing or getting owned unless you spike your gutshot.

I like b/f or c/f, I think c/c basically has roughly the same disadvantages as betting (your hand looks like at least what you have, which isn't great vs. 2 good players), but with c/c you lose the initiative and your hand is even more face up than b/f (c/c kind of eliminates some of the top of your range, but when you bet you still have all possible sets, straight, and some 2 pair combo's). I think there's still value in betting as well, since I doubt they fold AQ often or flush draws OTF, and CO might peel even wider.

The fact that you have the backdoor nizzle flush draw is sweet since you'll have turn cards that increase your equity nearly 1/3 of the time, and I think that leans me more towards b/f than c/f. Although it makes your hand look like ~AK+ when you bet and you have basically the bottom of your range, I think the fact that your range is so strong betting into 4 people could allow you to realize our equity more frequently since you basically never get raise and have to fold unless you have <30% equity, and when you get called and see turn you nearly always have 40%+ equity.

Once you c/c and turn bricks, I think it's an easy c/f, especially vs. the villain who's range is the nuttiest, and we're only beating a bluff, and he has bluffs like <10%. If we bet and turn bricks it's probably a c/f too, although I think it goes check/check a reasonable amount of the time depending on how well you can timing tell level him. Also, I would def c/f if we didn't have the K of spades, but I think it's significant and makes betting a lot more appealing for the reasons I stated.

B/f flop

I agree with most comments about post flop play - B/F, but what about preflop - why didn't you bet more, like 3xbb?

I feel even with elimination, a part of his range consists of ak and aq. Villian has AQ enough here to make this a bet fold I think (ESP with Qs). By checking, you are underepped and aq may go ahead and protect his hand and over value it because of your weakness. Also, I think to an Utg raise, he would prob 3bet AK pre and possibly fold ATo.

yeah I folded turn and regretted not just folding flop. I think I've been swayed to b/f>c/f though, thanks for replies.

Bet fold

I wouldn't check/fold to a bet from anyone btw, but it's probably best vs. MP1. Just because we check doesn't mean we're necessarily giving up on the hand. And it also lets you get away without putting in a chip if there's significant action before it gets back to you.