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109c vs Stars Pro 109c vs Stars Pro

03-16-2011 , 12:43 AM
2nd hand of tournament. I have no history with villian, so I'm a complete random.


PokerStars - $100+$9|10/20 NL (9 max) - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

LP: 6,000.00
CO: 3,000.00
BTN: 6,060.00
Hero (SB): 5,940.00
BB: 6,000.00
UTG: 6,000.00
UTG+1: 6,000.00
MP: 3,000.00
MP+1: 3,000.00

Hero posts SB 10.00, BB posts BB 20.00

Pre Flop: (30.00) Hero has XX
fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 80.00, BB calls 60.00

Flop: (160.00, 2 players) 9 A T
Hero bets 120.00, BB calls 120.00

Turn: (400.00, 2 players) Q
Hero bets 200.00, BB raises to 787.00, Hero calls 587.00

River: (1974.00, 2 players) 6
Hero checks, BB bets 1,585.00, Hero raises to 3,500.00,



Given the lines taken, what range do you put villian on and Hero on?
03-16-2011 , 01:07 AM
Also, what of Villians range are you b/c the river with?
03-16-2011 , 01:38 AM
Hero's c/r river range should be a decent flush at the least or KdX, imo, given villain's line and river sizing.
Villain could have any number of hands, KJ being likely and KdJx more specifically. Any flush, a bunch of straights, some sets or better.

Note: It's extremely difficult and frustrating to assign ranges to BOTH opponents in a 2nd-hand-of-tourney, readless, BvB battle.
03-16-2011 , 01:47 AM
Sick action bro.

I can't put villain out of flush, probably like medium SCs.

I think hero has either the Nut flush or in some really rare cases a Kd blocker with some piece of the board like KdQx, KdJx, KdTx that decided to make a sicko c/r bluff on the river assuming that the Stars pro could lay down 7d8d.

Straight flush also possible but whatever.
03-16-2011 , 05:40 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sinking Ship
Hero's c/r river range should be a decent flush at the least or KdX, imo, given villain's line and river sizing.
Villain could have any number of hands, KJ being likely and KdJx more specifically. Any flush, a bunch of straights, some sets or better.

Note: It's extremely difficult and frustrating to assign ranges to BOTH opponents in a 2nd-hand-of-tourney, readless, BvB battle.
Agreed with the bolded part. However, I think it offers a much more interesting discussion than if I come in here and say hey, I had the nut flush did I get the right value, or hey, I had 23o what a sick bluff I pulled. In most cases I agree 100%-in this one, I felt like this would garner the most/best discussion.


As hero in this hand, I felt like villians range was pretty polarized. On the flop, I'm going to assume he's raising any set/2pair combo based on the board and how deep we were. I also feel like he's raising a flush draw a certain percentage of the time to a)take the pot down (obv) or b) to build a pot for when he does hit his flush, becasue there is no way that SB (hero) can blow him off the hand without over betting the pot.

With that being said, I think he's a lot more likely to pot control the flop with a baby flush than he is with something that has equity on top of the flush, such as 87ss, KJss, etc, so I think when he does simply call, we can start to shade his range towards lower flushes than the nut flush draw.

On the turn, I feel his range is again highly geared towards a general set of hands. In order:a)KJ (floated flop, potentially with a diamond), b) baby flush, c) air, d)AQ/QT, and e) Nut flush. The only two pair combos that make sense for him to be flatting flop and raising turn are d, so I think we can start eliminating two pair and sets from his range.

Obviously he's raising a/b for both value and protection. He does not want to see another diamond or his hand loses value drastically (obviously). E is a little bit more interesting. He could be raising the nut flush here to build a pot so that he can get paid more on the river. However, if he's wants to build a pot, why not raise the flop and potentially get a free river card/build a pot then? Why not let me tripple barrell when I've shown no signs of slowing down? So in this case, I think that the nut flushes is a smaller percentage of his range than KJ/baby flushes. When I called, I planned on c/r 90% of rivers.

On the river, we can safely assume that he has nothing with marginal SD value (Ax, two pair, sets) and his range is pretty polarized to KJ, flushes, and air. I decided to go for a tiny c/r for a few reasons, non of which I want to say until I reveal my hand/theirs more thoughts on our respective ranges (even if it is obviously by some of my wording). .
03-17-2011 , 01:25 AM
i m villain in the hand so my range should be at least a flush right..?
03-17-2011 , 01:29 AM
pretty good analysis of the hand tho...i guess you owned me pretty bad here/owned myself... let me know if u want to know my hand
03-17-2011 , 08:02 AM
Normally dont read that much text but nice analysis probably

With ur river c/r you rep Khigh flush maybe a J high flush and air....very polarized....
but it looks so strong what you're doing and your opponent is a thinking player that is capable of folding a big hand...........

I actually love the smaller c/r since it looks superstrong "begging for a call" and it gives you better odds so the bluff has to work less often for it to be a profitable one....

I only wish you had a blocker preferably the Kd but also the Jd would help really to narrow those nuts hands even more

wouldnt recommend making this play other then vs a good thinking player because you're trying to let someone fold a flush while giving him a good price blind vs blind

Vs JD I like it a lot though....I want to know what he had/his logic too
03-17-2011 , 02:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by J0hnny_Dr@m@
i m villain in the hand so my range should be at least a flush right..?

Quote:
Originally Posted by J0hnny_Dr@m@
pretty good analysis of the hand tho...i guess you owned me pretty bad here/owned myself... let me know if u want to know my hand
Really don't know what you had the more I think about it haha. I would like to know the hand tbh-sent you a PM. The more I think about it though, the more I'm rnnning circles in my head trying to figure out if it's spew...



Quote:
Originally Posted by Oscar Belgium
Normally dont read that much text but nice analysis probably

With ur river c/r you rep Khigh flush maybe a J high flush and air....very polarized....
but it looks so strong what you're doing and your opponent is a thinking player that is capable of folding a big hand...........

I actually love the smaller c/r since it looks superstrong "begging for a call" and it gives you better odds so the bluff has to work less often for it to be a profitable one....

I only wish you had a blocker preferably the Kd but also the Jd would help really to narrow those nuts hands even more

wouldnt recommend making this play other then vs a good thinking player because you're trying to let someone fold a flush while giving him a good price blind vs blind

Vs JD I like it a lot though....I want to know what he had/his logic too
This really isn't a play I would normally make. Normally I'm folding turn at the very least. For whatever reason, I decided that I was going to make a move at the pot (I had QJ FWIW). I agree with you about the blockers and the other stuff, and is something I failed to consider as I made the play in game...

      
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