villain is 18/14 fold to 3bet 75%

one thing is that he made a potentially questionable call against me previously after i made a potentially questionable jam and i said "wp" in the chat box

pre i think is std i want to have a 3bet/fold range and kj seems a good hand to do it with, think any smaller wouldnt be particularly great and i also think bigger would be too much

theres 65 left, 27 pay

flop i think qqx hits his range, im not sure i even have a betting range here, probably check it all, feel ok

turn is close i think betting ak and checking kj seems ok?

river im pretty lost though, i dont think im necessarily at the top of my range but im close. what does my range look like to villain?

PokerStars Hand #119982228040: Tournament #949998962, $100+$9 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XVIII (500/1000) - 2014/08/12 0:14:02 CET [2014/08/11 18:14:02 ET]
Table '949998962 19' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: Machiavelli3 (24683 in chips)
Seat 2: busto_soon (7925 in chips)
Seat 3: pads1161 (22856 in chips)
Seat 5: zuckerman286 (11842 in chips)
Seat 6: lookoutdudes (36624 in chips)
Seat 7: RomeOpro (12677 in chips)
Seat 8: Adrianobf (28455 in chips)
Seat 9: hcg92 (28686 in chips)
Machiavelli3: posts the ante 125
busto_soon: posts the ante 125
pads1161: posts the ante 125
zuckerman286: posts the ante 125
lookoutdudes: posts the ante 125
RomeOpro: posts the ante 125
Adrianobf: posts the ante 125
hcg92: posts the ante 125
pads1161: posts small blind 500
zuckerman286: posts big blind 1000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to pads1161 [Kc Jh]
lookoutdudes: raises 1000 to 2000
RomeOpro: folds
Adrianobf: folds
hcg92: folds
Machiavelli3: folds
busto_soon: folds
pads1161: raises 2888 to 4888
zuckerman286: folds
lookoutdudes: calls 2888
*** FLOP *** [Qc Qs 7s]
pads1161: checks
lookoutdudes: checks
*** TURN *** [Qc Qs 7s] [Kd]
pads1161: checks
lookoutdudes: bets 2780
pads1161: calls 2780
*** RIVER *** [Qc Qs 7s Kd] [6c]
pads1161: checks
lookoutdudes: goes all in

prob good to have no turn betting range once u check this flop....cant imagine folding the riv - he prob expects u to bet most of ur Kx OTT and has a fair amount of broadway combos

don't really have much to add. think this hand is interesting. hope someone else chimes in.

maybe he's content to try to check down med pp.
maybe he'd start bluffing otf w/ some stuff.
maybe he'd suspect you wouldn't fold much otr that calls ott.

stuff he might be bluffing cause of blocker value might be content to check back turn, but the stuff i'm thinking of - ATs/AJs - has almost no showdown value, so i think it makes some sense to start bluffing w/ them at some point.

hope you get some better responses.

Also looking for more responses..

i don't see what can we talk about if we dont have any more dynamics or infos, since :

he probably expect us to cbet value, altough ofc is std to not have a cbettin range here
after we check flop + turn he probably snap polarize us to 77-JJ / AJ AT who decided to not cbet flop
that said we shouldnt fold anything there, but not knowing if he's capable of bluffing there with a random shodown value hand that beats A high (ex 55) makes calling very sick considering this is still a turbo and our stacks if we fold is still pretty good( i feel good with 15x in a normal speed let alone in a turbo)

Fold pre. I dig this with 28-30bbs

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PokerStars Hand #119982228040: Tournament #949998962, $100+$9 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XVIII (500/1000) - 2014/08/11 18:14:02 ET
Table '949998962 19' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: Machiavelli3 (24683 in chips)
Seat 2: busto_soon (7925 in chips)
Seat 3: pads1161 (22856 in chips)
Seat 5: zuckerman286 (11842 in chips)
Seat 6: lookoutdudes (36624 in chips)
Seat 7: RomeOpro (12677 in chips)
Seat 8: Adrianobf (28455 in chips)
Seat 9: hcg92 (28686 in chips)
Machiavelli3: posts the ante 125
busto_soon: posts the ante 125
pads1161: posts the ante 125
zuckerman286: posts the ante 125
lookoutdudes: posts the ante 125
RomeOpro: posts the ante 125
Adrianobf: posts the ante 125
hcg92: posts the ante 125
pads1161: posts small blind 500
zuckerman286: posts big blind 1000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to lookoutdudes [9d Ad]
lookoutdudes: raises 1000 to 2000
RomeOpro: folds
Adrianobf: folds
hcg92: folds
Machiavelli3: folds
busto_soon: folds
pads1161: raises 2888 to 4888
zuckerman286: folds
lookoutdudes: calls 2888
*** FLOP *** [Qc Qs 7s]
pads1161: checks
lookoutdudes: checks
*** TURN *** [Qc Qs 7s] [Kd]
pads1161: checks
lookoutdudes: bets 2780
pads1161: calls 2780
*** RIVER *** [Qc Qs 7s Kd] [6c]
pads1161: checks
lookoutdudes: checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
pads1161: shows [Kc Jh] (two pair, Kings and Queens)
lookoutdudes: mucks hand
pads1161 collected 17336 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 17336 | Rake 0
Board [Qc Qs 7s Kd 6c]
Seat 1: Machiavelli3 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: busto_soon (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: pads1161 (small blind) showed [Kc Jh] and won (17336) with two pair, Kings and Queens
Seat 5: zuckerman286 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: lookoutdudes mucked [9d Ad]
Seat 7: RomeOpro folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Adrianobf folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: hcg92 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

well played lookoutdudes

This is where playing KJ out of position just kills you. If you are going to play that hand, I definitely don't like building the pot up pre flop. Most of that hands value is in hitting the straight or two pair. Keep the pot small so you can afford to see them through.

I think he's bluffing here but just not worth a call. If he's got a good hand he has to be thinking based on your turn call that you've got a hand he could squeeze a little value from on the river or you missed the flush and are folding regardless so why shove a big hand.

^ stellar

if hes checking that back would make a jam pretty interesting fasho

why post nick? i was intrigued in what we would have done if he jammed the river, results arent important etc imo.

Obv the changed scenario is much more intersting. It's impossible to set an exact range with which opponent calls our 3bet, but let's say it's 88+, A9s+, AJo+, QJs+, KQo. When I'm thinking about our opponents range on the riv, it looks very polarized - he doesn't have AK since he would rip it in pre (or so we would expect him to do), I wouldn't expect him to flat call the 3bet with 77 or 66 this shallow either. So the value range is 4 KQ combos (only one of those is suited) slowplayed QQx1, KKx1, AAx6, AQx8, QJsx1 = a total of 21 combos. We might assume that he bets his straight draws and flushdraws on the turn when we check twice. That's 17 combos already. If he doesn't turn into a bluff any other hands, but jams on the river all missed draws and all value hands we need 31,6% equity to call and vs the range stated above we have 33,8%. So it looks like a call to me. Also he might have some more bluffs and he definitely doesn't slowplay his QQ+ 100% of the time (in my calculations he does that 100%), which makes it even more of a call. He might not jam all his missed draws on the river, but also have some more bluffs that I didn't account for so I would hope it would even itself out. River aggression % would be useful but we probably don't have enough hands on him for that number to be reliable info.

very much like the last post. I´d call, too. we block q j and kq and we are so underrepped given that we checked the flop.

not really that underrepped, we could check ak (put it this way, if the hand stays the same, do u you think he happily shoves river with KJ?), qq, and likely not perceived to 3bet that wide pre so even when we don't have those hands there's few random air/super weak hands in our range