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03-08-2010 , 02:42 AM

cacoochaooo

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evryones opening and 3 beting pre alot, does ICM affect me in this hand or is this a standard shove? Would anyone 3b fold it with my stack?

Poker Stars $100+$9 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t8000/t16000 Blinds + t1600 - 8 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

Jymaster11 (BB): t1270744 M = 34.53
disco91 (UTG): t283510 M = 7.70
Gags30 (UTG+1): t160345 M = 4.36
Jemmons89 (MP1): t155677 M = 4.23
TH32NDCOMING (MP2): t630781 M = 17.14
5iveofaKind (CO): t858359 M = 23.32
Hero (BTN): t423848 M = 11.52
vince vegas (SB): t521736 M = 14.18

Pre Flop: (t36800) Hero is BTN with A

4 folds, 5iveofaKind raises to t40000, Hero

03-08-2010 , 02:54 AM

Bond18

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I would never 3 bet/fold against a 2.5X open when we have like ~26 BB's. My standard is to just shove here (or 3 bet/call nominal if I think it will make him fold more mid pairs) but it's possible someone will come in here and say it's bad due to ICM. I wouldn't be the one to know, but I generally ship here.

03-08-2010 , 02:55 AM

cacoochaooo

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oh yeah payouts...

24,395
17,937
13,618
9,758
7,103
5,668
4,233
2,798

03-08-2010 , 02:57 AM

smokrokflock

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shoe

03-08-2010 , 02:58 AM

cacoochaooo

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bond18

I would never 3 bet/fold against a 2.5X open when we have like ~26 BB's. My standard is to just shove here (or 3 bet/call nominal if I think it will make him fold a tighter range) but it's possible someone will come in here and say it's bad due to ICM. I wouldn't be the one to know, but I generally ship here.

learned not to 3 bet fold this stack from your things it took me a long time to learn series!, reading that helped my game a ton

03-08-2010 , 06:47 AM

OnaNobis

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Doesnt a shove here put the ICM pressure on the opponent?
I'm just curious what ppl would raise/call with,under icm considerations.

Last edited by OnaNobis; 03-08-2010 at 07:10 AM.

03-08-2010 , 02:20 PM

Beachman42

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With three really short stacks, I think a fold is in order here. You just paid the blinds and all three will have to post in the next 3 hands.

03-08-2010 , 02:34 PM

iSport

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This seems like an excellent spot to risk all of your chips.

03-08-2010 , 02:38 PM

poker edge

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Bet all your chips. There can be no case for 3bet folding with those stack sizes.

03-08-2010 , 06:39 PM

#10

iggymcfly

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Yeah, AJ's facing a CO open is too strong to use a line involving folding on. Just get it in and hopefully the chips can sustain you for a while if you're playing tight for ICM reasons later.

03-08-2010 , 06:46 PM

#11

CutchaLosses

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bond18

you can deff 3 bet fold a hand with 26 bbs but not aj in this setup. if you feel shoving here is plus ev 3 bet calling is even more plus ev for hopefully obvious reasons

03-08-2010 , 06:55 PM

#12

FatsoFat6969

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3b/c is my standard here just cuz i think ppl will spaz out more if u 3b than if u just shove..

03-08-2010 , 07:07 PM

#13

Todd Terry

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Yes.

03-08-2010 , 08:35 PM

#14

cacoochaooo

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Todd Terry

Yes.

yes shove or yes icm affects me?

03-08-2010 , 09:03 PM

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Yoshi63

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Quote:

Originally Posted by cacoocachoo

$109 80k FT, does icm affect my decision here?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Todd Terry

Yes.

Also, I flat less than most anyone and I think flatting is fine here, maybe best.

03-08-2010 , 09:40 PM

#16

nath

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i think it's gotta be a shove; you could raise/call if you didn't have ICM to worry about

03-08-2010 , 09:47 PM

#17

darkcheck_

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whatttttt never fold here

03-09-2010 , 06:25 AM

#18

Dana Gordon

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id probly just shove it in here (or u could 3bet/call)

03-09-2010 , 03:13 PM

#19

cacoochaooo

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[QUOTE=Yoshi63;17348068]Also, I flat less than most anyone and I think flatting is fine here, maybe best.[/QUOTE

at a less aggro table flatting would prob be ok, but if i flat here i have to worry about Jymaster (who has 3 bet an average of once every round since the final 3 tables) squeezing (which im sure hed be happy to do)

The reason i put 3/b/fold out there was because the norm size for opening at this table was 2.05- 2.5x, and every 3 bet was just a little more than double the open raise, so i could have 3 bet to 89-94k and fold if sb or bb shoves

03-09-2010 , 03:35 PM

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NHFunkii

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Quote:

Originally Posted by cacoochaooo

yes shove or yes icm affects me?

yes

03-09-2010 , 03:53 PM

#21

poker edge

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Quote:

Originally Posted by NHFunkii

yes

im with this guy

yes [x]
no [ ]

03-09-2010 , 07:09 PM

#22

RandomGuy2

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Quote:

Originally Posted by FatsoFat6969

3b/c is my standard here just cuz i think ppl will spaz out more if u 3b than if u just shove..

This is likely true, but do we really want more spazzing in this spot? I think not, so shoeing is better.

03-09-2010 , 09:06 PM

#23

gostatego

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since jymaster is a big luckbox id fold cuz he will have QQ+ in the bb everytime

03-09-2010 , 09:18 PM

#24

Jymaster11

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I'm 3bet calling here

03-10-2010 , 05:29 PM

#25

SicknSocial

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RandomGuy2

This is likely true, but do we really want more spazzing in this spot? I think not, so shoeing is better.

this!

we dont want him to 4bet shove 78s etc because of icm

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