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10 J suited Borgata 2 mill 10 J suited Borgata 2 mill

01-27-2016 , 01:23 PM
My last two hands I played were 10 J suited and want to know if what I did is correct or am I over valuing hand. First hand blinds are 8,000/1600 2,000 ante
I am on button with 220,000 average is 255,000. Folds to me SB has me covered and is solid player, BB has 80k and is older recreational player, I raise to 35k with J 10cc with intent of folding to SB 3bet or calling BB shove with the thinking that my hand plays well against most shoves from him. He shoves I lose to KJ. Last hand I am in CO with 90k same blind levels and shove with J10ss we are in money with less then 300 people left out of 5100 and lose to KJ again. Am I over valuing this hand for stealing blinds or is it correct to play them this way. Thanks for any input
01-27-2016 , 01:56 PM
Just rip it pre in hand 1
01-27-2016 , 02:16 PM
easy r/f in hand 1
not sure what effective stacks are in hand 2 so it can be either a very standard jam or a very awful jam
you need to learn what ranges you want to play vs differing stack sizes tho
01-27-2016 , 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by ebet33
easy r/f in hand 1
not sure what effective stacks are in hand 2 so it can be either a very standard jam or a very awful jam
you need to learn what ranges you want to play vs differing stack sizes tho
In hand 2 I am covered by all 3 remaining players in hand 1 player has 350k rest around 200k with 42k sitting in middle blinds and antes.
01-27-2016 , 02:31 PM
Are you seriously R/F JTcc Button vs Blinds 14BBs effective?

That cannot be right at all, you can definitely shove and not get exploited.
01-27-2016 , 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by jonrubs
Are you seriously R/F JTcc Button vs Blinds 14BBs effective?

That cannot be right at all, you can definitely shove and not get exploited.
16k bb 85k stack is not 15bb sir
and also the goal in low-midstakes live mtts is not to prevent yourself from getting exploited its the complete opposite
01-27-2016 , 04:10 PM
we are < 14bb eff vs Sb, and < 6bb vs BB. Seems like a pretty standard rip pre.
01-27-2016 , 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by ebet33
easy r/f in hand 1
not sure what effective stacks are in hand 2 so it can be either a very standard jam or a very awful jam
Usually what you post isn't complete bs, but you either didn't read blind/stack info well or you're drunk
01-27-2016 , 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by ebet33
16k bb 85k stack is not 15bb sir
and also the goal in low-midstakes live mtts is not to prevent yourself from getting exploited its the complete opposite
Not sure if serious......

The way to exploit low-midstakes live mtts with a short stack is too shove correctly and sometimes actually shove wider because they call too tight.
01-27-2016 , 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by ebet33
easy r/f in hand 1
not sure what effective stacks are in hand 2 so it can be either a very standard jam or a very awful jam
you need to learn what ranges you want to play vs differing stack sizes tho
uwotm8
01-27-2016 , 09:20 PM
Sunny u need to stop trolling I just seen your results on the last few years
01-27-2016 , 09:47 PM
basically didn't play for 2 years straight, but ok lol

you're the man tho brah

Last edited by sunnydunerz; 01-27-2016 at 09:53 PM.
01-27-2016 , 10:15 PM
i may be able to play a little this year though, depending on uni commitments and whatnot. whats your sn on stars? i'd be willing to xbook all tourneys both of us play on stars for the entire year, could sort an escrow, just hmu
01-28-2016 , 12:34 AM
I'm in us.
01-28-2016 , 12:41 AM
But if u wanna rly pursue this lmk
Doubt anything w come of it tho. Anyway not into beefing on the forums so peace out

Last edited by ebet33; 01-28-2016 at 12:52 AM.
01-28-2016 , 02:39 AM
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Originally Posted by ebet33
easy r/f in hand 1
not sure what effective stacks are in hand 2 so it can be either a very standard jam or a very awful jam
you need to learn what ranges you want to play vs differing stack sizes tho
Wow this is bad advice all those posts you have as well.

OP both hands are super profitable open jams. Raise folding JTs 14bb effective from the button i would love to hear some maths based reasoning for this. Don't wanna flip against 22-99 do we?

Calling the second hand close in any way is just hilarious tbh.
01-28-2016 , 03:16 AM
Well yea my bad I made one post where I misread stack sizes sorry ffs
01-28-2016 , 04:10 AM
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Originally Posted by ebet33
But if u wanna rly pursue this lmk
Doubt anything w come of it tho. Anyway not into beefing on the forums so peace out
coming from the guy randomly calling people out in a hsmtt thread. keep doing you bro. gl out there
01-28-2016 , 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by ebet33
Well yea my bad I made one post where I misread stack sizes sorry ffs
that explains it
01-28-2016 , 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by jonrubs
Not sure if serious......

The way to exploit low-midstakes live mtts with a short stack is too shove correctly and sometimes actually shove wider because they call too tight.
Really, that's the best way you can think of to exploit people who never defend at this stack depth and reshove extremely tight ranges?
01-28-2016 , 09:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Soepgroente
Really, that's the best way you can think of to exploit people who never defend at this stack depth and reshove extremely tight ranges?
So do you think either one of those hands isn't a happy snapshove?
01-28-2016 , 10:27 PM
In an online tournament, sure. Against live players who will never rejam light and not call with all kinds of hands I don't see a reason to invest 14bb when 2.1 does the job just as well.
01-28-2016 , 11:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Soepgroente
Against live players who will never rejam light and not call with all kinds of hands
Where was this read ever given. All we got was SB is a solid player. Are we going to r/f 5BB. Im sure if SB is solid, he has the same read on BB, and will rejam light
01-29-2016 , 01:47 PM
I was talking about the bb, the sb isn't too relevant since he's not going to flatcall much. He'll probably jam a similar range over our raise as he will rejam when we jam anyway. I don't think our raise looks particularly weak either, and I doubt many people will just ship J8s over our raise here.

ED- nvm I never saw the bb had 5bb, then it doesn't really matter which option you take.
01-30-2016 , 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Soepgroente
I was talking about the bb, the sb isn't too relevant since he's not going to flatcall much. He'll probably jam a similar range over our raise as he will rejam when we jam anyway. I don't think our raise looks particularly weak either, and I doubt many people will just ship J8s over our raise here.

ED- nvm I never saw the bb had 5bb, then it doesn't really matter which option you take.
gotcha, sbs calling range = sbs reshoving range anyway, but since the bb only had 5bb it doesnt matter what we do as long as we aren't folding!

      
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