How long would it take of training for someone to achieve general physical preparedness to become the equal of professionals in these sports;

golfer
boxer
football player
soccer player

NOTE, THIS IS IGNORING ALL SPORT SPECIFIC SKILLS.

conditions;
person is 20 year old male, can jog a couple of miles, is not overweight, has no strength training experience.
training methods are good.
general physical preparation is all this person works on, he does not need to schedule this WITH skill training.
GPP includes strength, speed, conditioning, agility, flexibility

1) Probably already there.
2) Never.
3) Never.
4) Never.

Your threads suck dick.

4) jog a coupla times a week, you're good. Drink lots of beer. BEat up your wife. Have a hudge ego. Kung fu kick a spectator cause you didn't like his face. Call your opponent's mother a whore, then get skull slammed in the chest and fall down like a little bitch.

20 is kind of old to begin one's aspirations of becoming an athlete in a strength-based sport. Most of those athletes begin at a very young age, and have access to all kinds of coaching personel. You'd probably have better luck training to become a MMA fighter or bodybuilder.

fine lets say we the person starts training at 15 years old.

This word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

soccer prob wouldn't be that hard, esp for more defensive players

For Soccer, being 15 is most certainly way too old. The kids start playing at the age of 5 or 6.
I think you can be older to start boxing. Shoot Mickey Rourke an email bout that.
Dunno about golfing. Someone at the office was in junior national team and has been playing all his life. I'm unsure if you can pick it up later and become world class.

guys i am just talking about GPP not sport specific skills. i think someone who plays pick up sports off and on since they are a kid could then learn the GPP stuff at 15 years old.

I'd just like to reiterate that the OP was referring only to physical preparedness, not any sport-specific skills.

this seems kind of impossible to answer:

1. golf? Well, I would say now if you are flexible, but you should probably stretch for a few months if you aren't.

2. boxer? Well are you a heavyweight with tons of power? You could probably knock out a bunch of scrubs in the first round and be an okay pro right now. But if you have to go like more than a round you are probably screwed. I mean what does it take guys right now to train? 4-6 months?

3. football player? Some of those lineman are in pretty bad shape. So now? But if a WR, probably never b/c you have to jump ******edly high, be ******edly strong, and be ******edly fast.

4. Soccer player? Probably have to get a really solid running base for a year. I don't know.

There are so many ******ed elements to this post. Re-read op plz.

Are you guys mentally ******ed:

"How long would it take of training for someone to achieve general physical preparedness to become the equal of professionals in these sports"?

THIS MEANS HOW LONG DO I HAVE TO TRAIN TO BE EQUAL TO A PERSON PLAYING PROFESSIONAL SPORTS

MORONS.

How old are you?

I don't like that I share 4 letters in common with my handle and that moron's handle.

thanks for pointing that out thremp, i had just assumed it was you.

i think golf would be easy and require no GPP. i dunno about a boxer. i think football players are the most impressive athlete in terms of GPP for any sport there is. to get there strength i think would take 4 or 5 years off the top of my head, and i don't think they need great conidioning with all of the pauses and breaks and they just do short runs in general which i think someone could gain with maybe 1/2 a year of training, which could be done with the strength training. with football i think more than any of the other sports a large percent of the population just couldn't get the GPP necessary due to genetics. i'd say off the top of my head 85% of the population couldn't be a football player. for soccer i think the pros do not strength train much and someone could gain their strength with a year of strength training, and their conditioning with another year. soccer requires enough conditioning so that the conditioning and strength training my conflict with one another.

for me it is kind of surprising to think that not too much time of GPP is necessary to get to the point of a pro athlete. i mean these guys play the sports from age 8 until retirement at 35,40 so that is 25 years of playing but i think only a small fraction of that is necessary to gain the GPP.

like consider the other sports which i excluded cause i figured they would be about equal to soccer or easier. tennis, baseball, basketball, hockey. i think same thing, not long prep time. i mean u might say "basketball players need to jump high" - well i think a jump is correlated to squat training and these guys don't train well and if you could squat 2 times your body weight you are prob. squating the same as them. i think the average vertical for a pro basketball player is 35 inches which is hardly overwhelming for a pro. test yourself out. i think it would be interesting to get everyone on this forum to check their verticals. we can see how it correlates with their strength training.


http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...1120423AAZDDFP

lol 4-5 years

GTFO u moran

why not? after just 18 months a person can deadlift 2.5x BW and 2x BW in the squat. so after 60 months of training?

thremp i know. the fact that you choose to argue points where you are sure you are right and also add little value (content, insight) is getting tiresome.

read some trainer's site that said he trains the liverpool fc youth teams oly lifting and kettlebells.

i think glassman has talked about blurring strength and conditioning with stuff like 30 C&J's for time, Rip likes the 20 rep squat thing.

This logic is so ******ed it hurts my brain to read. Probably 99% of the population could never achieve the average strength levels of a college D1 corner let alone an average NFL player. Below is data for the average starting skill position player (defensive backs, WR, running backs) at Virginia Tech. Well in excess of 95% of the population could probably never get to even one of the measures of strength (at least not at that weight) or speed below if they spent their entire lives focused on it. I would guess the same thing could be said for the conditioning levels of soccer players or all round GPP of boxers. Also, remember the average NFL player was a beast in college so their numbers probably dwarf those posted below. Thinking that people could gain the conditioning to compare to pro soccer players in a year is only slightly less ridiculous.

Descriptive Data for Starters in Skill Group
Variable n Mean Median Mode SD Range
Bench Press 18 316.11 312.5 300 49.48 230-400
Back Squat 18 463.88 480 500 60.72 350-575
Clean 18 299.94 300 280 38.28 226-365
Push Jerk 18 292 300 250 42.06 226-390
40-Yard 18 4.43 4.42 4.4 0.09 4.22-4.59
Vertical Jump 18 37.22 37 36 2.71 33-43.5
Age 18 22.11 22 22 0.90 21-24
Bodyweight 18 190.83 190.5 186 14.57 164-219

http://scholar.lib.vt.edu/theses/ava...ohnsondiss.pdf

The how the **** can you not answer this yourself?!?

ISF,

Someone in that study weighs atleast 270 and has a vertical one inch shorter than yours. lol imo