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03-14-2010 , 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted by tmcdmck
40:30:30 by kcals is a common recommendation but its not too important if kcals and protein are ok and you feel fine.
Is that 40% protein?
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03-14-2010 , 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by yimyammer
I'm 6'-1" and 215 lbs

No program is recommending this, I just ate when I was hungry and this is all I ate.

I tend to eat more on days when I work out so I'll do another post after tommorrows last meal.

Do you guys have to force yourself to eat even when you're not hungry in order to get enough calories in?

You are not eating enough. Try using sparkpeople. Input your info and goal and how much you workout and it will calculate it for you How much Calories, protein, carbs and fat you should be consuming.

Am i wrong here that I feel he is not eating enough?
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03-14-2010 , 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by yimyammer
Is that 40% protein?
yes, but this assumes you are eating sensible kcals, which apparently you are not. if you have to stay that low kcal, then you will need a higher % of protein.
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03-14-2010 , 09:52 PM
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Originally Posted by lozen
You are not eating enough. Try using sparkpeople. Input your info and goal and how much you workout and it will calculate it for you How much Calories, protein, carbs and fat you should be consuming.

Am i wrong here that I feel he is not eating enough?
You can't possibly do anything other than lose weight by "not eating enough". So you clearly are either being intentionally vague or have no ****ing clue what you're talking about. The bigger problem is his macros blow as his protein is absurdly low, not that he has an issue with calories.
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03-14-2010 , 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Thremp
You can't possibly do anything other than lose weight by "not eating enough". So you clearly are either being intentionally vague or have no ****ing clue what you're talking about. The bigger problem is his macros blow as his protein is absurdly low, not that he has an issue with calories.
What's your take on the assertion that when you dont eat enough calories, your metabolism slows down and your body holds onto fat because it thinks its starving?

PS..Are you saying I'm being vague or Lozen? I could post a more detailed log that shows every single thing I ate but its really long and I didn't figure anyone would want to read it.
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03-14-2010 , 10:01 PM
Here's the diet info you need:

1. Set calories.
2. Set protein.
3. Let God figure out the rest.

Here's the exercise info you need:

1. Everything works.
2. Some things work better than others.
3. Nothing works forever.

Last edited by anononon; 03-14-2010 at 10:02 PM. Reason: i think i solved exercise science
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03-14-2010 , 10:04 PM
But is God a carbophobe?
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03-14-2010 , 10:04 PM
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Originally Posted by kyleb
Here's the diet info you need:

1. Set calories.
2. Set protein.
3. Let God figure out the rest.

Here's the exercise info you need:

1. Everything works.
2. Some things work better than others.
3. Nothing works forever.
How do determine the amount of calories to eat?

Is the protein just 40% of total calories?
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03-14-2010 , 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by yimyammer
What's your take on the assertion that when you dont eat enough calories, your metabolism slows down and your body holds onto fat because it thinks its starving?

PS..Are you saying I'm being vague or Lozen? I could post a more detailed log that shows every single thing I ate but its really long and I didn't figure anyone would want to read it.
I think there is validity to the idea that your body wants to hold onto fat stores as its a response that is designed for survival and more complex schemes are designed to "trick" the body into giving up the last bits of fat. I think the Stubborn Fat Solution by Lyle deals with this issue, but that is immaterial here. The quickest way for someone as fat as you are is to basically eat 200g of protein, some EFAs, and some veggies, until not "really fat". This type of plan kinda sucks though since it does nothing to reteach habits and isn't sustainable in any way.

Lozen is being vague. He's just a circle jerk apologist who doesn't know wtf he's talking about. He wants to congratulate everyone else for doing something "different" regardless of how **** dumb and/or ineffective it is.
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03-14-2010 , 10:07 PM
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat...ts-part-1.html

Read the two part series and all the links including the problems with using macronutrient percentages.
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03-14-2010 , 10:07 PM
Get a reasonable estimate of your resting BMR. Follow what Lyle or Aragon says about protein per pound of lean body mass for people who are dieting. Fat people need less protein than lean people for obvious reasons.

Like Lyle says, it's not about being a carbophobe. It's about getting enough protein. Something has to go in your diet to accommodate high intakes of protein. Since fat often comes along with intake of protein... carbs end up being cut.

That being said, I am no carbophobe. I eat copious amounts of fruit and bread.
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03-14-2010 , 10:10 PM
Does doing cardio cause you to lose muscle? Is that why its recomended to do SS first and then cut?
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03-14-2010 , 10:12 PM
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Originally Posted by lozen
You are not eating enough. Try using sparkpeople. Input your info and goal and how much you workout and it will calculate it for you How much Calories, protein, carbs and fat you should be consuming.

Am i wrong here that I feel he is not eating enough?
I'm positive I'm not eating enough.

I use www.myfooddiary.com which does the same thing as Sparks
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03-14-2010 , 10:13 PM
the key to dieting is to get so much heavier that meals like this are only small parts of an overall maintenance diet.

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03-14-2010 , 10:14 PM
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Originally Posted by yimyammer
Does doing cardio cause you to lose muscle? Is that why its recomended to do SS first and then cut?
Fat people (you, me) can easily maintain or have a negative caloric intake while on a sensible resistance training program (Starting Strength being one of many). It will aid in body recomposition, help retain muscle mass, and have possibly better effects on weight loss than strict cardio work.

Interval training like Dr. Tabata's methods tend to waste less time and develop your VO2max quicker along with quicker results in the fat loss department compared to walking or jogging on a treadmill for 30 minutes. The downside is that Tabata work is... difficult.

ETA: Spenda is a relatively lean person in this forum who did no cardio over the winter, but lost a ton of weight by simply dieting and resistance training (on an intermediate variation of Starting Strength).
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03-14-2010 , 10:14 PM
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Originally Posted by yimyammer
Does doing cardio cause you to lose muscle? Is that why its recomended to do SS first and then cut?
PLZ buy the book. This is somewhat complicated stuff that is covered in the book and you can only expect the people here to do so much spoon-feeding.

ETA : or KyleB broke it down simply there. Point still stands. Buy SS and Flexible guide. Learn basicallly everything you need to know about training and nutrition. You're good to go. Learning something by asking a bunch of questions is horribly ineffecient.
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03-14-2010 , 10:16 PM
But yes, buy the book already. And read Lyle's free stuff. In a month when you understand more, subscribe to the AARR.
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03-14-2010 , 10:29 PM
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Originally Posted by dtemp
PLZ buy the book. This is somewhat complicated stuff that is covered in the book and you can only expect the people here to do so much spoon-feeding.

ETA : or KyleB broke it down simply there. Point still stands. Buy SS and Flexible guide. Learn basicallly everything you need to know about training and nutrition. You're good to go. Learning something by asking a bunch of questions is horribly ineffecient.
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Originally Posted by kyleb
But yes, buy the book already. And read Lyle's free stuff. In a month when you understand more, subscribe to the AARR.
Fair enuogh, thanks for y'alls efforts.

Just to be sure, buy these books:

The guide to flexible dieting by lyle mcdonald

and

"Starting Strength Basic Barbell Training 2nd Edition" -- Mark Rippetoe & Lon Kilgore
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03-14-2010 , 10:31 PM
Yes. I suggest buying the SS book and reading all of bodyrecomposition.com and Aragon's online stuff first.
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03-14-2010 , 10:31 PM
Those are the correct books yes. Like KyleB said you can get by on just the free articles from Lyle's website but the SS book is absolutely crucial. Its the Theory of Weight Training basically.
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03-14-2010 , 10:41 PM
You probably don't need to buy Lyle's books for now. Just read the free stuff. The SS book is vital, however.
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03-14-2010 , 10:45 PM
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Originally Posted by anklebreaker
Yes. I suggest buying the SS book and reading all of bodyrecomposition.com and Aragon's online stuff first.
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Originally Posted by dtemp
Those are the correct books yes. Like KyleB said you can get by on just the free articles from Lyle's website but the SS book is absolutely crucial. Its the Theory of Weight Training basically.
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Originally Posted by kyleb
You probably don't need to buy Lyle's books for now. Just read the free stuff. The SS book is vital, however.
Thanks, I'll get to work on it.

damn, this is a lot of work, no wonder I and so many people are fat
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03-14-2010 , 10:47 PM
Meh. Just remember what I said above. The basics are simple.
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03-14-2010 , 10:48 PM
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Originally Posted by yimyammer
Thanks, I'll get to work on it.

damn, this is a lot of work, no wonder I and so many people are fat
meh sort of. The initial education is a little time consuming. But its a lot like physics; once you learn some basic principles, you'll be able to understand most everything a layperson needs to know.
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03-14-2010 , 10:51 PM
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Originally Posted by anklebreaker
But is God a carbophobe?
prob, and the devil got the boot for eating cake.
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