Don't beat yourself up over it. You are up against 4.5 billion years of evolution selecting you to have the drive to keep your genes in the pool. Maybe we should be celebrating those rare individuals who can overcome such odds to choose not to procreate, but certainly no one should be giving themselves a hard time for succumbing to such a strong evolutionary force.

A lot of people that think about these things postulate that it is inevitable for life to extinguish itself through overgrowth before reaching the level where they can transcend such processes, theoretically through some sort of fusion/transfer of biologic life with AI.

Given the theoretical unlimited capacity for AI to propagate itself using the resources of the universe, some propose the fact we haven't seen any alien AI yet indicates that this is an adaptive peak that is too high to ever reach. Unless of course we are all just living in a matrix-like AI artificial reality, which has been proposed is statistically more likely than our reality actually being real.

https://www.theguardian.com/environm...fewer-children

One thing to note is that the study in that article includes future progeny in the calculation for having one less child. So if you plan on raising eunuchs, you've prob only increased your CO2 production a reasonable amount (depending on how you want to attribute life cycle costs and offsetting choices. Do you stop jetsetting? Do you now take up more seats taking kids to Paris too?) Poors are responsible for most pop growth, but they live like poors so eating rice and living in mud huts basically contributes very little to climate change. There is open disagreement about the attribution of future generations to the person having the child, but that is kinda asinine, since it is suggesting that eating meat has no cost since it is already at the store! If you didn't eat it, it'd go bad! (I ate a ribeye last night. Clearly production costs can't be attributed to me.)

With regards to UNEP I'm an unpaid SME on a new initiative. (Or atleast when it was new.) Standard situation of wrong place, wrong time and getting roped into doing a thing atleast a few thousand other people are capable of doing. Don't really talk about this sort of stuff since it is whatever. I'm not MLY and this isn't my personal blog, but it seemed salient.

WRT kids. It is whatever IMO. You're not going to murder any kids to provide a carbon offset, so just do your thing. Living with exogenous dread is a totally modern crazy person thing. You're not going to do anything other than just feel bad about your choice and develop mild resentment toward your child, so why hold onto the negativity?

Obviously not having children is a great way to flex on people who do when dick measuring how "green" you are.

Kelhus,
Willful extinction is the obvious answer to the Fermi Paradox. We are just sacks of meat and realizing that our asinine aspirations to propagate the universe are ultimately meaningless will let us just die out.

Obviously the AB case is insane.

Also, I thought wokeness was being aware of the issue. Not even really caring. Like "Being <protected class> sucks ass compared to being white" is woke. Was unaware I have to give a **** or really be interested in moving the needle for them.

The scary thing is that as technology becomes more and more advanced, smaller and smaller groups of people will have the ability to decide to extinguish all of us Thanos/12 Monkeys style.

I am actually a little surprised elites haven't devoted more energy to interstellar travel/living, so at least they can escape what seems to be inevitable. Although my understanding is elites are putting a lot of resources into creating sustainable sub terrestrial habitats for themselves when the seemingly inevitable happens, although this seems an inadequate response.

I'm not entirely sure why the default assumption would be that we'd reach some sort of planetary doom from (pretty apocalyptic!) things like these. My default assumption is that when virtually any significant resource shows signs of becoming truly scarce, there will be war.

Water, food, sand, land, etc.

I am probably a bit more pessimistic about giant global wars than others, though. Like, I also assume that sometime in the nearish future if things continue how they are, and the US has an even more impressive total amount of revenue going to servicing debt to China, that the way out that is most natural is to go to war with China, not to declare bankruptcy (which would kind of seem the other natural likely option, since I don't think that like, NASA discovering and successfully mining a large asteroid made of precious metals worth multiples of GDP is actually that likely).

Like, isn't it kind of much "easier" to slaughter a few hundred million people to buy timeline for your nation (to continue to grown and inevitably run into the same problem) than to accept that global population growth will limit everyone's access to water, etc? And we do seem to have spent a huge amount of our country's total wealth for the past 50 years or so on the ability to kill lots of people...

In the US, ~50% of mothers are single and ~70% of those single mothers live below the poverty line.
And women are expected to handle most of everything dealing with the children while married.

Women are not less happy because they have children or get married, they are miserable because men in general suck and they have no help.

From a woman's perspective, having your child is astounding joy, happiness, love you never could have imagined existed before they were born. You are just so connected to your child; I felt it when my daughters heart started beating. I say mother's get to feel a much higher level of happiness than non-mothers, but non mothers are completely oblivious to this higher level of happiness.

Well, by this metric men didn't suck in the 1950s. Singling out men is not particularly charitable, but definitely as a society we so far don't seem particularly able to adapt to the atheistic neoliberal capitalistic globalization of our times.

Given the energy and time demands of raising human children, it is clear that (unlike many other mammalian species) human females are not designed to have to raise children on their own; and if this is happening at such a high rate this is a sign of societal dysfunction.

Lol at her and call her a dummy. PM me for coaching.

Citation needed on 50% of mothers are single stat. Actually it's not cuz it's lol on its face.

K,

It's very nice of you to engage with M in good faith when she makes a post that is personal experience or personal point of view and states it as fact for "women." Perhaps it fits in with the nature of the discussion ongoing, not sure. Truly generous.

M,

Though it's tiresome, a bit of correction to your post (lazily just pulling all my information for this from here, which is in theory backed by the census):

You said:
Truth:
In the US, 27% of all children under 21 are being raised by single parents (only 80% of custodial parents are mothers). Assuming by "mothers" you meant moms of pre-adult children, for your number to be correct the married mothers would have to average ~3x as many children as the unmarried to make the single moms about 50% of the moms. Sorry I don't have the actual number here. Also, it appears the raw count of children living with only mom in the US has been approximately flat since 1995, which surprised me.

You said:
Truth:
"29.2 percent of custodial single mothers and their children lived in poverty"
So yeah that's pretty wildly off.

Also:

This is not a US phenomenon, as UK, Japan, Italy, France, Denmark, and others had similar baselines and changes in single parent households in the prior 55 years.

In the US, this stat is super skewed by seriously holy wow data in the black population. 47% of black children live with solo mom. (23 hispanic, 13 white, 7 asian). Maybe you at some point read stats for black population and decided it was all?

You are so lucky that none of the negative parts apply to you since you have a good income and school exists to do much of the hard part of raising a child and the mundane aspects of child rearing are extremely easy because of modern conveniences.

More importantly, happy people rarely complain. That is how you can tell they are happy. If you whine or complain frequently, then you aren't happy. It really is that simple.

Sorry guys I don't follow realsports. I have literally never heard of Antonio Brown.

I try not to get bogged down in nitting exact stats or worrying about hyperbole, if I get the gist of the persons argument and think there is a valid point being made. So basically I am the opposite of Melkerson.

Single motherhood certainly isn't 50%, although whatever the exact number is, especially in lower income brackets, it is high enough to warrant genuine concern over what exactly is going on here.

I know the black incidence is high, but I do wonder how much of that is just because such a high percentage of the black population is low socioeconomic status, and how much the racial stats would converge if we controlled for socioeconomic status.

This is basically what I suspected.

Please stop posting.

In fakesports news, 5'4 bodybuilding phenom from Iran, Hadi Choopan, will be doing the open class at this year's olympia. He obliterated the competition at the Vancouver pro a few months ago despite his stature. Bbers seem to be heavily penalized for being shorter than 5'6 or 5'7 or being taller than 6'0, with the former usually going to the 212lb class and the tall guys going to classic physique. Given the vacant throne and just how much better overall he is than most of the competitors, it'll be curious to see how he places and how the judges in the open class will treat a 5'4 guy. I'm hoping he'll be top 3, but I kinda doubt it.

This weekend! It'll probably be a very boring 1. Curry 2. Roelly 3. Bonac affair. I think Bonac has the most unpleasant and hard to look at physiques to ever be placed so high on a bodybuilding stage. Short guys can look great, but he is not one of them. And his posing is among the cringiest and most painful that makes me slightly ashamed to even be an amateur in the same sport as this guy. A complete object of mockery to non-bodybuilders, with good reason.


The fellow in my avatar on the left is about 5'3 or 5'4 and will be doing the open class in 2020 Olympia as well. I'm hoping he does well too.

I assume my (future) kids will solve this whole climate issue, so no ragrets expected

Someone once straight facedly told me that the Catholic stance on birth control was that population pressure would drive technological change and save humanity.

Ah, yes I was looking at the wrong table... trying to download them and view on my phone.

There is a pretty funny graph in there where the point when widowed women starts declining and divorce increases....looks like women stopped killing their husbands as frequently, and started just getting divorced in the early 80's.
When did DNA testing start holding up in courts?

Well, a more likely explanation would be that when the ex of divorced women die, it isn't counted in the widow total anymore.

Cit,

Benevolent theories aren't very interesting. I'm more interested in some estranged, malevolent biochemist engineering a ebola/rabies hybrid and killing everyone.

All,

I like how this new MLY season is moving to take over the N1 demographic via misandry. Obviously needs to keep up her general buffoonery by completely fabricating numbers and not understanding basic logical relationships.

Thanks, that is helpful.

Yeah, I noticed that too.

Yeah, I found that info very interesting but don't have any follow-up questions. Hopefully the work you end up putting in feels marginally satisfying even though other people could do it instead.

This didn't go over well, can I expect a refund? Or perhaps you can put some $ towards CCW whose advice I plan to blindly follow next?

Wish I would have read this earlier. I am having a 4th kid (soon!) and all my beer flies to me on a jet! Wow!