Bros,

Had some blood drawn today and annual physical.

Worth it to have them check my T and free T? $130 if the insurance doesn't cover it.

Would love to be able to engage in mental masturbation ITT over my results.

Definitely worth it.

The more you know...

Yah agreed.

Loco, you still funding testosterone blood work for prize specimens?

The doc said he can input the appropriate diagnostic code depending on my "symptoms," assuming I'm okay having things like decreased libido and erectile dysfunction on my permanent medical records. I said lol I don't give a ****.

Eh, you don't need justification like that unless it's going to be covered by insurance. Otherwise it's elective and just pay out of pocket it's what I did like 5 years ago.

I wouldn't get it done unless my boner strength was down and I was having less morning erections.

Waste of money for a 33 year old lifting Jesus who benches 315. Pass fakeb, natty til limpdick.

lol

yea, why potentially optimize your life based on actual medical results, when you have such a solid test like above?

I'll be 35 next month. I just want to stay on top of these things since everyone knows there's only one explanation for why I can bench 315.

And why would I ever pass up the opportunity for us to nitpick ITT over the results

loco just hates joy

G4S

I think thats what my man Dr Life would say and I think he might be able to take you down in a nood-off even though he is double your age.

I saw a documentary with several anti-aging doctors , including Dr Life, and they said 40+ and lack of morning wood is a good time to go in for a visit.

But hey why listen to doctors when around here you can listen to 23 year old kids who got on T and a former professional athlete who had no choice.

It's just an opinion bro. I am very anti T before age 40 and everything I have seen from the people who got on early in life makes me even more adamant about that.

My boy fakeb is strong and if his morning wood is fine, I think he is good til late 30s. Then reevaluate.

But hey I will offer this to fakeb as incentive, because I do agree if he is very low he should get on. Might help with depression.
If you come below 350 ng/dl, I will pay for it. I will send you PayPal. I am definitely giving EV away here because I don't know anything about his sex life. And like I said, those anti-aging doctors really look at that.

By the way fakeb, good luck. IMO you really want to come in below 250 or above 600. My guess is you are in the in between hell zone where most doctors will make you wait.

Of course free T is way more important but obviously I am assuming that comes back adequate also.

Ohhhhh. You are making an incorrect assumption. I'm not getting blood work done to see if I should go on the good stuff. It's purely informational.

Obviously if you are offering to fund supplementation should the results be awful, I'll reconsider. But my gains and sexual prowess are all well above acceptable. I'd be more interested in laughing at you if the results were awful and yet gainz and boners remain rock solid

Limp dick is not a perfect test, all I am saying is I didn't make it up. One of the most important questions an anti-aging doctor is going to make.

Loco,

Doc Life does look good, even more so considering he's 80 or so.

All I was saying is why pass up an opportunity for information? I would certainly take a medical test over an anecdotal one, even if it is relied upon to some degree to start the process.

I don't disagree with your doc statements at all, they are prescribing test for a certain subset of the population for a particular reason. One that may or may not coincide with a an athlete or lifter and their specific goals. I also never said take gear advice from the 2+2 forums, lol.

I'm kinda shocked that people you know that used hormones before age 40 turns you off. I know numerous lifters who've been taking T for 20-40 (+) years that wouldn't have it any other way.

Your generalization of the T numbers is kinda funny to me, because you don't know first hand. And it's not like there's a huge sample size out there with numbers to say definitively, every time, that X=Y. I can tell you, and show you, that I've had results from 77 ng/dl to 5k+ ng/dl, and you're probably wrong about how I felt at certain ranges.

Yeah it was pretty bad. It broke in 2 places and made a "z" shape.

The good news, if you want to call it that, is that if you have to get a plate in, the initial recovery time is way better because you don't have to wait to put weight on the arm.

Free money is best money

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Rusty, how's the thyroid situation?

This is where I'm stuck. When I had mine tested a few years ago I was barely in the hell zone at 330. I should go have it re-tested. See if I've made my way to the "here you go T up" zone.

My hormone levels are stable but I don't feel "right" most of the time. I have like zero enthusiam for exercise and actually even for most of my hobbies. I don't have much energy and I sit around a lot watching TV.

I used to do like 5 hobbies at a time, always doing something and I am having to kind of force myself to keep 1 or 2 going.

I sort of wonder if I have just been hyperthyroid so long that I just thought of it as normal, and now that I have normal thyroid levels it feels like not enough.

Rusty,

My wife had the same experience/feelings; it has improved with time.

Oh I also put on about 15lb in the last year. I don't attribute that to the thyroid as much as that I used to ride about 5-10k miles/year and if I do 2-3k this year it'll be a miracle

So I've thought about this a bit, and isn't the flip side what the Barbell Medicine bros say? The "normal" T range is massive for a reason. And that is because natties have a massive range. If you come in at the low end of the range, but have no other symptoms of low T, why would you take it? You clearly function "correctly" with that level.

I guess it's like how different people have different BMRs. If you're eating X calories and losing weight, why bother eating less than X calories, even if a BMR calculator might tell you otherwise.

lmao that's a bunch of pussy talk, snitch. If you're not on at least 1g of test a week you may as well be dead.

On a serious note though though why is it that guys with relatively higher SES/more education/higher IQ tend to always be lower T? I mean not to toot our own horns or anything... but there's the stereotype of the low T nerd for a reason.

When I was essentially on my decade long+ bulk, I ate my fair share of "dirty" foods, lots of snacks, etc... When I stopped that a couple years back and have eaten "clean" since then, I noticed something.

I had no idea how bad and ****ty I felt while eating like that, because I didn't know what it was like to eat and feel on a more optimal level. I felt great/normal/etc...I thought, but it turns out I just didn't know any better.

That's what T replacement is for a lot of people.

Yeah. I do have a dream in my mind that is what it is going to be like. I bump a bit of T and I get bigger and leaner, live longer, sleep better, f*ck better, etc., etc.

Of course, one of the other major contributing factors to why I don't is because of how illegal it is here and other than the fact I would have to buy from Bathtub Brews Co. and\or my local bikies, I'm pretty sure I would also have to become an endocrinology expert to keep tabs on what was going on.

I would think at 5000 ng/dl, Snitch would turn into a raging boner superhero that can hurl weights across the gym by just looking at them. Mrssnitch would be very happy instead of working with this limpfest s/b/d 250/200/300 pound bullshiet.

God I cannot wait until loco pulls the trigger and is tremendously disappointed that it is, in fact, his extremely elderly age and mestizo genetics that will forever limit him from having a bodybuilder physique irrespective of large steroid doses.