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08-27-2011 , 06:39 PM
he's GETTING everyone!! nice level bro!
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08-27-2011 , 09:39 PM
I'm trying to get back into shape without experiencing exercise induced nausea.

I haven't figured out why I get it. But it has something to do with heart rate/sweating/exercise intensity relative to my overall cardio fitness.

What's the best way to go about this? I tried playing basketball(half court) and after a short time felt like I was going to die and had to quit mid game.

I weighed myself before and after(fully clothed) and had lost 0.4lbs of water(6.8oz?ish) through purely sweat evaporation. My clothes were obviously still wet so water loss was most likely greater than that.

Should I buy a heart rate monitor and try to aim for a specific heart rate and do running or whatever? Should I try for a specific water consumption per day/before exercise?

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08-27-2011 , 10:40 PM
Just do what you can. Even if thats going for a long walk every day. Constantly strive to improve. Try to do something 4-5 a week. Consider hitting the gym and doing some weights also.
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08-28-2011 , 10:45 AM
Consider doing this running program. Also, as suggested try adding some lifting too, though if you're that out of shape you may want to hold off on that for a little while.
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08-29-2011 , 01:26 PM
When doing Bulgarian split squats is going below parallel as important as with a lowbar squat? In terms of knee health...
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08-29-2011 , 07:54 PM
So I was doing some RDLs the other day and now my traps are sore as ****! I think what happened is that I was trying to keep my shoulders back (as they would be in proper posture), rather than letting them come forward. I was also trying to keep them back as I lowered the bar to mid-shin level.

Is this dumb? Should I just let my shoulders fall forward so as not to make the traps hold the bar up? I assume it probably is because when you are doing regular deadlift you have to pick the bar up from the ground which seems to require your shoulders to come forward.
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08-29-2011 , 10:35 PM
I swear I read something from kyle relatively recently saying that the perfect pushup was actually good for shoulder health and worthwhile, but now I can't find anything to that effect. Can somebody point me in the right direction - I'm only interested if there is some benefit for shoulder health.
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08-30-2011 , 03:44 AM
Funky,
traps definitely need to work a bit to keep the barbell close to the body during a RDL, so you're good. If you don't do this, the bar will slide forward and get too far away from the body at the bottom. Assuming this was your first time, it'll get better ldo.


sfcard,
push-ups are definitely very good for shoulder girdle health in general. See e.g. http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_...lls_and_shrugs. I <3 GTG and weighted push-ups.
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08-30-2011 , 10:20 AM
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So I was doing some RDLs the other day and now my traps are sore as ****! I think what happened is that I was trying to keep my shoulders back (as they would be in proper posture), rather than letting them come forward. I was also trying to keep them back as I lowered the bar to mid-shin level.

Is this dumb? Should I just let my shoulders fall forward so as not to make the traps hold the bar up? I assume it probably is because when you are doing regular deadlift you have to pick the bar up from the ground which seems to require your shoulders to come forward.
Tighten up your whole back and keep it tight the whole time you have the weight in your hands. If your upper traps are sore its because you're letting your mid-back get loose and you're shrugging your shoulders. It might have something to do with what SM says too.

read this if you havent yet: http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_...D4-mcd02.hydra

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I swear I read something from kyle relatively recently saying that the perfect pushup was actually good for shoulder health and worthwhile, but now I can't find anything to that effect. Can somebody point me in the right direction - I'm only interested if there is some benefit for shoulder health.
Pushups are good for the shoulders if you do them right, if they dont hurt when you're doing them, and if you're doing plenty of pulling to balance them out.
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08-30-2011 , 11:03 AM
Guys,

He's referring to The Perfect Pushup (TM)
http://www.perfectonline.com/scripts...Perfect.PUSHUP
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08-30-2011 , 08:11 PM
When deadlifting, how long is an acceptable time between reps? I reset my stance and grip each rep, which usually gives me time to inhale about 2 or 3 times. Does this mean I'm just doing lots of singles, or what?
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08-30-2011 , 09:45 PM
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When deadlifting, how long is an acceptable time between reps? I reset my stance and grip each rep, which usually gives me time to inhale about 2 or 3 times. Does this mean I'm just doing lots of singles, or what?
On the 4th and 5th, sometimes 6th, rep I breath for about five seconds. It's better to catch your breath and complete a rep than pass out.
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08-31-2011 , 05:31 AM
curious what you guys think about this program: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hp?t=135564721

i've been doing SS for a few months and although i'm pretty happy with the progress overall, some of his comments seemed to ring true based on my results, particularly this:

"b. Poor exercise selection.

We typically see people come off Rippetoes with tiny rear delts, relatively weak upper backs. Some people choose to powerclean which is absolutely idiotic. It takes far too much technical prowess to get a powerclean to adequately work the upper back. So people are pressing OH and flat benching 3x a week with literally no rowing movement. Some are smarter and do BB rows, but I believe the beginner lacks coordination to properly do rows in a way that combats the internal rotation from the pressing. Also, the chin ups are treated as optional when they should be mandatory, cause squatting works those lats... right?"


the routine he recommends instead is this:

A
Squat 3x5
Bench 3x5
Chins 15-20 total reps, add weight or use assisted.
Rows 3x5 SUPER STRICT.
Optional: Cable rows, 3x8 bicep work, 3x8 rear delt flyes, do this at your own discretion. If you don't feel like it, don't worry

B
Front squat 3x5
MP 3x5
Deadlifts 1x5
Optional: 15-20 reps of dips, 3x8 tricep work

thinking about trying this for a while, thoughts?
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08-31-2011 , 06:09 AM
I don't see a need for subbing regular squats for front squats. It's a common critique of SS that it doesn't contain any horizontal pulling. I also agree that for people without a bench monkey background, SS will lead to the BP especially lagging behind. His reasoning for abandoning the PC is lol.

Personally I think SS with GTG push-ups and chins is a superior alternative than the plan above, both for strength and aesthetics. Then switch to Greyskull LP (strengthvillain.com) or something similar once you start stalling.
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08-31-2011 , 07:28 AM
Some of the iterations of SS use rows and pull-ups to replace power cleans. You appear to have found one of them. You can light back squat or front squat, it doesn't matter.
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08-31-2011 , 07:37 AM
Light back squat or front squat implies an A/B/C rotation or A/B/A rotation though, neither of which fits the above post.

Also his post is uberlol in other spots, like
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It's too easy at the start, 3x a week for an absolute beginner is a joke. If we take a typical 5lbs increase starting at 85lbs, and a 15lbs increase a week, then getting to 225 3x5 takes upwards of 10 weeks... too long imo.
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08-31-2011 , 08:16 AM
I didn't read the BB post, just looked at the program. For some reason I read it as normal ABA with light squats on a Wed when doing M/W/F, as in the advanced novices program.

Doing front squats every second session is pretty stupid. Complaining about 15lb increases a week is stupid.
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08-31-2011 , 10:03 AM
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I don't see a need for subbing regular squats for front squats. It's a common critique of SS that it doesn't contain any horizontal pulling. I also agree that for people without a bench monkey background, SS will lead to the BP especially lagging behind. His reasoning for abandoning the PC is lol.

Personally I think SS with GTG push-ups and chins is a superior alternative than the plan above, both for strength and aesthetics. Then switch to Greyskull LP (strengthvillain.com) or something similar once you start stalling.
yea i wasn't so much concerned about the front squats, esp since my hamstrings are relatively weak compared to my quads, it seems like doing front squats would just exacerbate the issue? idk

but the part about rear delts/traps lagging behind definitely seems true for me.
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08-31-2011 , 01:27 PM
I want to get into starting strength but don't have anyway to have someone check my form right now. How hard is it to teach yourself proper technique for these lifts? I've read most of the wiki and have seen several videos on all the lifts.
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08-31-2011 , 01:57 PM
Its def achievable, just take videos of yourself and practice, practice, practice.
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08-31-2011 , 02:46 PM
Yep, Marlin has it right. Work hard on it, but it is achievable, and the early light weights aren't going to do much damage if your form is less than perfect. Give it a go!
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08-31-2011 , 07:31 PM
def possible. almost everyone in this forum did/is doing it.
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08-31-2011 , 08:27 PM
<<<<<<< slow pwny
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08-31-2011 , 09:31 PM
What can I do to maintain instead of build? I am happy with the size I've gained in the last 9 months and just don't want to lose it. I still want a better six pack though and plan on still doing dead lifts to build teh abz as well as some extra ab work.
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08-31-2011 , 09:45 PM
only eat enough to maintain your current weight...you should be able to do some body recomposition...if you want more abs you gotta lose weight = less food...
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