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05-04-2010 , 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by TomCollins
Soy turns you gay.
And gives you boobies.
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05-04-2010 , 09:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Soulman
Who wouldn't be obsessed with such a dreamy little half-azn package of a genius, no socialized health care needed. But it will be there when I do. For free.
you can use the kroner you'll be saving to update your gym wardrobe with new capri pants and Livestrong bracelets.

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05-04-2010 , 10:30 PM
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Originally Posted by TomCollins
Soy turns you gay.
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Originally Posted by Maximum Rocknroll
And gives you boobies.
Anything else?

Just the estrogen like stuff in it? Cause I have them lady parts, so, just wondering what the downside for the womenfolk would be?
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05-04-2010 , 11:01 PM
extra estrogen has something to do with cancer.
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05-04-2010 , 11:18 PM
orly, what?
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05-04-2010 , 11:18 PM
Dumb Question:

Low Bar squats work the hamstrings more than High bar right?
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05-04-2010 , 11:19 PM
That's what they tell me.
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05-05-2010 , 12:51 AM
figured i'd get more responses here

i have a q about this lactose crap. if im drinking a lot of milk, and it's running through my ass a few hours later, does this mean my body isn't digesting it properly and i'm not getting the protein from it i should be? and therefore should go eat some more protein to hit my daily goals if this happens?
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05-05-2010 , 01:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Jaysick88
Dumb Question:

Low Bar squats work the hamstrings more than High bar right?
allegedly
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05-05-2010 , 02:59 AM
i have a question about squats and hip flexor pain. basically i'm doing squats and having a lot of hip flexor pain, any idea what gives? they are effecting depth because i can't keep going past the pain (also lol flexibility, probably biggest factor is my missing depth)
anyway, anyone else have this or heard of how to fix it?
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05-05-2010 , 03:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Newff
Just hoping this is a level, it is right?
It's basically true, but very much depends on eating the "right" food. If you're a hudge fatty who eats McD at every meal it will obviously not be true. Once you're used to measuring cals for a while you'll be able to eyeball food and make 'right' choices according to your goals much easier though.


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Originally Posted by Eurotrash
you can use the kroner you'll be saving to update your gym wardrobe with new capri pants and Livestrong bracelets.
Unfortunately we do not have these Livestrong bracelets we speak of here, but I have wondered about getting some new capris for summer.


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Originally Posted by nation
figured i'd get more responses here

i have a q about this lactose crap. if im drinking a lot of milk, and it's running through my ass a few hours later, does this mean my body isn't digesting it properly and i'm not getting the protein from it i should be? and therefore should go eat some more protein to hit my daily goals if this happens?
If this always happens I'd say you are lactose intolerant. You're Indian right? I.e. way higher chance of being LI.


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Originally Posted by revoluteme
i have a question about squats and hip flexor pain. basically i'm doing squats and having a lot of hip flexor pain, any idea what gives? they are effecting depth because i can't keep going past the pain (also lol flexibility, probably biggest factor is my missing depth)
anyway, anyone else have this or heard of how to fix it?
Very probably linked to knees sliding forward at the bottom of your squat. This is the #1 newbie mistakes on squats, together with knee caving. It can be fixed by doing the terribly useful block of wood exercise from the book, or just simply focusing on reaching back with your ass on the way down. If you have a partner have him whip you.
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05-05-2010 , 03:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Soulman
Rip disagrees:
http://startingstrength.com/resource...ghlight=osgood

Note: I have no clue about the disease, just remember reading it.

ETA: even more useful: http://startingstrength.com/resource...ghlight=osgood.
Nice one! Love doing squats, real manly stuff in the gym! hehe
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05-05-2010 , 07:46 AM
Thremp,
If you read my posts and realized what I was saying I don't think you'd disagree. I'm not talking about HR when discussing intensity (the word does suck though), and that was apparent by my second post, I'm referring to the speed. If you would have actually responded with an argument instead of insulting my arguments, perhaps this would have come out sooner and we could all hold hands or something.
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05-05-2010 , 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by nation
figured i'd get more responses here

i have a q about this lactose crap. if im drinking a lot of milk, and it's running through my ass a few hours later, does this mean my body isn't digesting it properly and i'm not getting the protein from it i should be? and therefore should go eat some more protein to hit my daily goals if this happens?
There's quite a high % of people who are lactose intolerant, me included. Do you take lactase pills when you drink milk?
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05-05-2010 , 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Soulman
Go go asians...

I take 1 pill for every ~8oz of milk. This is the cheapest source I have found:

http://www.amazon.com/180-Caplets-Fa...dp/B000HI0CKS/

It is cheaper to take the pills + milk than it is to buy "lactose free" milk, btw.
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05-05-2010 , 09:24 AM
Yes, asians suck at drinking milk and having big peens.

On the upside you have great skin.
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05-05-2010 , 12:23 PM
Quick question re: SS. Is it possible to do this whole program with a degnerative disc problem L4/L5? As presently I am unable to bend down low engough to pick barbell up without significant discomfort. So how on earth am I going to be able to squat/deadlift?

What workout methods/programs exist which incorporate the hugely important issue of previous/current lower back pain? as I am scared s/less of my back "going" again as the immediate pain is intense.

Cheers
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05-05-2010 , 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by theblackkeys
Thremp,
If you read my posts and realized what I was saying I don't think you'd disagree. I'm not talking about HR when discussing intensity (the word does suck though), and that was apparent by my second post, I'm referring to the speed. If you would have actually responded with an argument instead of insulting my arguments, perhaps this would have come out sooner and we could all hold hands or something.
If you weren't incredibly bad at expressing yourself, perhaps it would be clearer.

Regardless, I see no value in anything you've posted in this thread. Quite literally none. In fact many of the views are counterproductive. Your suggestion of HIIT is lolepicbad and makes no sense. Why would you use an inferior training methodology when there are no reasons (You're not pressed for time, you want to be the best long distance swimmer possible...) You also don't even have any concept of what exactly "speed work" entails for other sports. Read the coolrunnings.com stuff on "Speedwork". Its still pretty ****ing slow (IE a guy running a 15:xx 5k is not going to be running a 70+ second 400m. In reality this is significantly slower that the fastest 400 time he's capable of and much closer to his race pace than "as fast as I can run")

Heck. I'll even link it:

http://www.coolrunning.com/engine/2/2_4/100.shtml

Here's a beginner program:

http://www.coolrunning.com/engine/2/2_4/142.shtml

You never run over your 5k pace sans during the fartleks which have a cap on heart rate below the anaerobic threshold.

The idea that speedwork = HIIT is completely ridiculous.
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05-05-2010 , 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Thremp
Regardless, I see no value in anything you've posted in this thread. Quite literally none. In fact many of the views are counterproductive. Your suggestion of HIIT is lolepicbad and makes no sense.
lol, where did I say he should be doing HIIT? More reading, less raging, bro.

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You also don't even have any concept of what exactly "speed work" entails for other sports. Read the coolrunnings.com stuff on "Speedwork". Its still pretty ****ing slow (IE a guy running a 15:xx 5k is not going to be running a 70+ second 400m. In reality this is significantly slower that the fastest 400 time he's capable of and much closer to his race pace than "as fast as I can run")
Where did I say he needs to do full out efforts? All I said is that long slow distance to the exclusion of everything else is an inferior way to train.

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The idea that speedwork = HIIT is completely ridiculous.
Hah! I agree with this, which is why I didn't say it.

It is quite funny that you will ruthlessly berate and mock someone for something they said and then change your stance on it later. If you were so sure about what you were saying, it would be understandable, at least in thrempworld, to be so firm with your responses. But it's obvious you're not because you were open to other arguments and actually changed your mind (not a bad thing). I dunno, pick one. Either be a stubborn **** slinger and stick to your guns, or be less of a raging idiot when you know the issue is not really settled conclusively. Or perhaps you just need to learn how to tell when things aren't set in stone yet.
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05-05-2010 , 04:24 PM
If I'm a fatty doing SS, how long can I progress in lifts while eating at a deficit? Is it just a case-by-case scenario or is there some type of ballpark figure, or is it not possible at all?

I'm just sick of having this gut(and overall fatness) and I really don't want to be fat for like 6 months while I'm waiting to finish SS.

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05-05-2010 , 04:32 PM
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lol, where did I say he should be doing HIIT? More reading, less raging, bro.
Here.

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Or just that I disagree that, once he has learned how to swim well, he should include some higher intensity work which may or may not involve HIIT? You realize I'm not advocating a focus on high intensity work, or excessive volumes of high intensity work that will beat you into the ground, or stupidly designed HIIT sessions, right? I don't think simply doing LSD to the exclusion of everything else is the best way to prepare for something that involves really hard work though.
Then again that was a really pussy way of not saying anything. If you want to quibble over the -IT part of HIIT, that is ******ed as you are clearly then advocating doing a single ME swim, which is even dumber than everything you've suggested thus far. I'm trying to give you the benefit of the doubt in that you're just arrogant and uninformed instead of having literally the worst possible advice on this subject.


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Where did I say he needs to do full out efforts? All I said is that long slow distance to the exclusion of everything else is an inferior way to train.
Except its not. What exactly is your idea of high intensity? I'm defining it as >80% of max heart rate. You already made claims that he's incapable of "trying to swim fast" as a novice. Though you backtrack on this later by claiming that you weren't using heartrate as a metric of cardiovascular intensity. So you're really just posting to enjoy looking at the words after you hit "Submit Reply".


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Hah! I agree with this, which is why I didn't say it.
Try this more.

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It is quite funny that you will ruthlessly berate and mock someone for something they said and then change your stance on it later. If you were so sure about what you were saying, it would be understandable, at least in thrempworld, to be so firm with your responses. But it's obvious you're not because you were open to other arguments and actually changed your mind (not a bad thing). I dunno, pick one. Either be a stubborn **** slinger and stick to your guns, or be less of a raging idiot when you know the issue is not really settled conclusively. Or perhaps you just need to learn how to tell when things aren't set in stone yet.
Nice way to cover for being uneducated. Could you substantiate why you're correct as opposed to known cardiotards?

ETA: Perhaps you could try to correct me again on subjects where your reading comprehension is just lacking. Thanks again!

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05-05-2010 , 05:08 PM
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If I'm a fatty doing SS, how long can I progress in lifts while eating at a deficit? Is it just a case-by-case scenario or is there some type of ballpark figure, or is it not possible at all?

I'm just sick of having this gut(and overall fatness) and I really don't want to be fat for like 6 months while I'm waiting to finish SS.
Obviously depends on a lot of factors, like age, fattassery levels, starting lifts etc. If you want to "finish" SS in any traditional sense you won't have 10% BF at the end, but if you're huge already then you can definitely lose a decent amount.
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05-05-2010 , 05:27 PM
Guess I should be more specific. I'm 5'7" 185 around 27-30% BF. I'm assuming I can go on a deficit to start out(making sure to hit protein) and still do SS 3x a week and be able to increase weight based on increases in proprioception and neurological pathways, etc., and muscle gain. Maybe like 2-3 months down the road I would have lost some fat and be around 20% BF if I'm lucky and finish SS at maintenance or slightly above, but have gotten rid of a lot of fat(which I guess would be a recomp).

I also think I have some health issues that might be exacerbated by this extra fat and would like to get rid of it pretty quickly, but I still want to be strong.

I guess I'm really just making sure I'm on the right page regarding what I've been reading on Lyle's site as opposed to asking a real question.

My overall goal is to get to a healthy range of 10-12% BF but obviously that's a long way from now.
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05-05-2010 , 05:34 PM
Well finishing SS without a lot of resets usually entails eating at a decent surplus at the tail end. Miles theorized that it would be possible to get to the intermediate stage eating at maintenance/slightly above. Imo this would cause major recovery problems trying to lift 3x/week in the last 2-3 months.

I dunno, start at a small deficit, then adjust as you go? You don't need to plan everything out right now?
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