Also, broccoli is uncharacteristically high-protein for a green vegetable so it's not even the greatest example. High protein vegan diets need to be based on tofu or beans, and beans are pretty calorie dense so you still have to eat quite a few calories to get enough protein. My vegan friend was eating a ton of tofu on his cut, out of necessity.

lol @ the 11lbs of broccoli example trying to defend a fairly common point in the strength world.

I'd be happy to list my daily macros LOL and see you tell me how to hit that on a vegan diet... (hint: don't bother)

Who says you need to use similar ratios? I'm just illustrating how easy it is to get protein in.

200g wheat gluten:

Calories: 740
Carb: 28g
Fat: 4g
Protein: 150g

She'll change her mind once she finds out cheese isn't allowed in vegan diets

How the **** do you fry 11 pounds of broccoli in 1 ounce of olive oil? And who the **** wants to eat 11 pounds of broccoli and still miss their protein target?

Typical vegan diet for someone like MLY who decides to give it a shot: lots of cereal with rice/soy/almond milk, bread with hummus or peanut butter and Smuckers Strawberry *Squeeze* jelly, carrot sticks, pasta, pizza with no cheese, chips, twizzlers. Maybe a couple of good meals a week like stir fries with tofu, but more likely eating out and getting veggie burgers and fries, or 1,000 cal burritos a few times a week.

Already have.....I cannot go without cheese.

What I'm thinking is that I'll just start eating a lot more fruits, vegitables, and fish.

Here is my progress so far for the month...these are averages/day and total weight loss.

I haven't completely met my goals yet, but I have done the following:
-cut soda intake in half
-added about 1hr sleep/night
-increased walking by 1mile/day
-avg calories for the month are below 1800

The last time I was close to 1781cals/day avg was last November when I lost 7.7lbs.
I'm on track to lose 7.3lbs this month which will make me sub 220 and the lowest weight I've been in 9years!!!!

Like I said, I didn't really understand what you were trying to accomplish with that. If posting the macros of 5kg of broccoli is supposed to "illustrate how easy it is to get protein in", then I don't think my comprehension is the problem.

The wheat gluten would have been a far better example for that purpose.

I love broccoli and roast some often and I'd consider 150 calories worth of broccoli a very large portion.

Dunno... never fried 11 pounds of broccoli, but lol @ the "I need 300g of protein for leg day" addicts itt.



Of course the wheat gluten is a better example; it contains more protein than chicken breast. Again, the broccoli thing wasn't supposed to be a practical example. Some dude was crying about protein and tons of tofu, so I showed two ways to get 150g without using "***** tit inducing" tofu.

Eat 11 lbs of broccoli per day spread over 8 meals. Whatever it takes goddammit.

Interesting, I've often eaten a pound of broccoli in a day and not bothered to track it, didn't realise it was that many calories. Thanks LOL!

So we did biometrics at work earlier in the week, and I have had some great improvement with BMI, Body Fat, and waist size. My cholesterol is really low, but my good cholesterol is way too low and puts in in high risk of heart attack range.

I'll have to look at the rest of my numbers next week, but I am now 39%body fat(Sept 2017). In last year's testing, I was 47%(Oct 2016). And, I would assume I was 50% or more in Jan 2016.

I know someone has posted these pics before, but they actually are a good visual of how my body has changed. My goal is to get to close to 30% body fat.

Well dang it, it won't let me upload the good one.

Here is a better one...

I'm by no means an expert but I would be shocked if those first few pics are accurate.

Ummm, you're the one that suggested frying 11 pounds of broccoli in an ounce of olive oil, not me. And according to your math, it was 141 grams of protein. Fairly standard daily amount.

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Even though I could easily eat 11 pounds of broccoli, did you think that was a serious, practical vegan suggestion? Go get you some wheat gluten - 300g protein for fewer than 1500 cals and weighing less than a pound with no gyno beans. So tough to get in enough non-meat/dairy protein for 5 sets of squats... call in the chickens and grab a gallon of milk.

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Seitan might as well be a supplement, i.e. it's not really a part of any mainstream cuisine, you can't get it in most stores, etc.

And of course, the 300g is a huge exaggeration. 2g/kg body weight is pretty widely recommended for good body composition results, not just in bro magazines. But even this is actually a problem for plant-based sources due to the relative lack of leucine, the amino acid most associated with protein synthesis. So actually if you get all your protein from plants you end up needing to eat 10-20% more to get the same amount of leucine as from meats and dairy. As a result, it's almost impossible to cut weight as quickly on a vegan diet while sparing as much lean mass.

Huh, you can get it at Walmart, a place that sells motor oil - that's about as mainstream as anything gets, imo.

1.5g/kg is fine for a bodybuilder (ask Clarence Kennedy pause squatting 550x5 on a ****ty vegan diet with no protein supps and only taking in 170g protein @ 105kg).

As for leucine, wheat gluten is higher in leucine, calorie for calorie, than chicken breast. Perhaps you're thinking about lysine?

I wasn't aware it was sold at walmart (I don't live in the U.S.). As for Clarence, he is not natty so that only proves that dietary flexibility is one of the myriad benefits of AAS.

Look, you're making a good case for your side and I don't have enough passion for the topic to retort further. I concede that if you eat a lot of wheat gluten you can hit bodybuilding macros. I don't concede that this would by any means be a conventional vegan diet, though, but maybe you know more vegans than me. You're free to have the last word if you want, but I'm out.

Okay, let's drop the vegan stuff and discuss roids.

That natty stuff is nonsense. Dude lifts a boatload more weight than steroid lifters who eat double the amount of protein (animal), so all is equal (assuming Clarence tren's it up, too) so roids have nothing to do with anything; they are all on equal ground, no?

You're right, there are no non-vegan bb-ers who lift more than him. Score one for veganism!