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06-08-2017 , 08:02 AM
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Originally Posted by The Yugoslavian
I have been on the Kodiak cake waffle grind. Great rec from monte. But I have to admit that the oil I add and real syrup I use are what makes it.
You use oil? To grease the waffle maker or in the actual mix?

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Originally Posted by The Yugoslavian
What is the 0 Cal syrup brand loco says isn't awful?


Lol at sugar free syrup when you're not a My 600 lb Life contestant, which given your lack of recent logging you may well be approaching.

As an aside, as an alternative to having them at breakfast, dessert pancakes or waffles, with a few chocolate chips added into the mix and topped with fresh strawberries and whipped cream, are pretty tasty as well.
06-08-2017 , 08:03 AM
I watched a documentary recently about a Chinese volunteer who every day of his life guards a bridge accross the Yangzi river that is famous for people committing suicide. Every day he hangs around and tries to stop people from jumping. He takes them to a safe place and immediately opens up a bottle of baijiu (50% liquor) to get them to open up and start expressing their emotions and stories. Says it works incredibly well. He's saved over 200 people.
06-08-2017 , 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Didace
Why are you you encouraging people to become alcoholic?
Because his life without alc sucks and is no fun. And he doesn't want to be alone in this.

What makes me participate in this, is that I am afraid that he can push someone like coon74 or someone with mental health problems to drink. And that is real harm done by this jerk.


on alcohol and depression
https://www.clearviewtreatment.com/d...s-alcohol.html

from one of his sudies:

"Consumption of beer, at any dosage, is not recommended for children, adolescents, pregnant women, individuals at risk to develop alcoholism, those with cardiomyopathy, cardiac arrhythmias, depression, liver and pancreatic diseases, or anyone engaged in actions that require concentration, skill or coordination."
06-08-2017 , 08:05 AM
Why would you give someone who is depressed alcohol? Won't they like instantly die?
06-08-2017 , 08:10 AM
Lets take the quotes around that selection that lapka added:

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there is no reason to discourage healthy adults who are already regular light-moderate beer consumers from continuing. Consumption of beer, at any dosage, is not recommended for children, adolescents, pregnant women, individuals at risk to develop alcoholism, those with cardiomyopathy, cardiac arrhythmias, depression, liver and pancreatic diseases, or anyone engaged in actions that require concentration, skill or coordination. In conclusion, although heavy and excessive beer consumption exerts deleterious effects on the human body, with increased disease risks on many organs and is associated to significant social problems such as addiction, accidents, violence and crime, data reported in this document show evidence for no harm of moderate beer consumption for major chronic conditions and some benefit against cardiovascular disease.
Actually the evidence for pregnant women to not drink in moderate amounts is super dated and incorrect. While it is current scientific consensus, it isn't based in scientific evidence and will likely be updated as time passes.
06-08-2017 , 08:10 AM
Yes the other 400 just died instantly
06-08-2017 , 08:13 AM
How should I answer you....... Especially considering that you are trolling......

Yes, they might go and harm themselves. And there a bunch of people here, who either had been there or are there. And in this light you suggesting to drink in depression is really really a jerk move.
06-08-2017 , 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by lapka
... anyone engaged in actions that require concentration, skill or coordination."
I honestly believe that for every single thing that requires skill, concentration and coordination there is an amount of alcohol up to a certain point that it will actually make you better at it.
06-08-2017 , 08:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Mihkel05
Lets take the quotes around that selection that lapka added:



Actually the evidence for pregnant women to not drink in moderate amounts is super dated and incorrect. While it is current scientific consensus, it isn't based in scientific evidence and will likely be updated as time passes.
Does the bolded from you change anything on the fact that you shouldn't be drinking when depressed? In fact you shouldn't be drinking with any mental health problems.
06-08-2017 , 08:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Syndr0m
I honestly believe that for every single thing that requires skill, concentration and coordination there is an amount of alcohol up to a certain point that it will actually make you better at it.
Time to chug a few Tsingtao's before you have your next rack jerk session.
06-08-2017 , 08:23 AM
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Originally Posted by The Yugoslavian
I have been on the Kodiak cake waffle grind. Great rec from monte.
Yep I was surprised to find these in Manila, and when I stumbled upon them I bought them because of Monte's recommendation. They are ****ing amazing, also got me pooping consistently which has been a problem since I've been in Asia. Thanks monte!

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Originally Posted by Syndr0m
I watched a documentary recently about a Chinese volunteer who every day of his life guards a bridge accross the Yangzi river that is famous for people committing suicide. Every day he hangs around and tries to stop people from jumping. He takes them to a safe place and immediately opens up a bottle of baijiu (50% liquor) to get them to open up and start expressing their emotions and stories. Says it works incredibly well. He's saved over 200 people.
That's awesome. I'm guessing that the baijiu instantly takes them to an even darker place than where they were at when they wanted to jump and once they stop drinking the baijiu they realize that life isn't so bad... at least after the baijiu burps stop happening a few days later. Brilliant strategy.


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Originally Posted by Syndr0m
I honestly believe that for every single thing that requires skill, concentration and coordination there is an amount of alcohol up to a certain point that it will actually make you better at it.
A friend of mine is adamant that being drunk makes him fluent in Chinese. Pretty funny to watch him be even worse in Chinese and just having a drunk "conversation" with another drunk person. Pretty sure they miss 80% of the communication but just make up whatever they want. I do agree though with your overall point though.


Re alcohol and depression (not physical health): It seems like any study is going to be ****ed from the start. Drinking alcohol is so ingrained in our society that anyone who doesn't drink at all is already more likely to have some type of social problem imo.
06-08-2017 , 08:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Syndr0m
I honestly believe that for every single thing that requires skill, concentration and coordination there is an amount of alcohol up to a certain point that it will actually make you better at it.
You can test if it is true for you. There are a bunch of online reaction time tests. You can make it sober and see what is your average time, after one shot, two shots.......

I don't want to discourage anyone from drinking. In fact I don't think that I can and I think that anyone should decide for himself.

I myself had a phase when I was drinking russian style, because I was so shy that it was the only thing that allowed me to function normally social.

But I am completely sure that drinking shouldn't be promoted as something positive, because usually people drink to compensate stress and social deficits. And there are better ways to do so.
06-08-2017 , 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Bluegrassplayer
Yep I was surprised to find these in Manila, and when I stumbled upon them I bought them because of Monte's recommendation. They are ****ing amazing, also got me pooping consistently which has been a problem since I've been in Asia. Thanks monte!
Cheers, man!

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Originally Posted by lapka
But I am completely sure that drinking shouldn't be promoted as something positive, because usually people drink to compensate stress and social deficits. And there are better ways to do so.
It sounds like you're generalizing from your own experience; there are plenty of people (myself included) that enjoy an occasional alcoholic beverage or two in order to enhance the quality of their meal and/or relax after a long day.

My wife and I had a glass of wine each when we went out to dinner last night and a bourbon out on the patio when we got home afterwards; sure we could have done burpees instead, but that would have been pretty weird and this tasted better.
06-08-2017 , 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by lapka
Does the bolded from you change anything on the fact that you shouldn't be drinking when depressed? In fact you shouldn't be drinking with any mental health problems.
Cite please.

Your limited English skills likely prevent you from understanding what you quoted, but that means that people who are not drinking are not advised to start. You need to show that depressed people are advised to stop drinking when they are drinking in moderation.

Did you happen to ignore the study about mood elevating effects with depressed people and drinking or just not able to process anything that may run counter to what your diseased mind conjures?
06-08-2017 , 08:33 AM
Thremp,

Regardless if you're right or not your posting style is just ugh. You should have a drink and try to relax some before posting.
06-08-2017 , 08:38 AM
bgp,

I thought I had already made it clear that I was off the sauce during my abject misery diet.

Last edited by Mihkel05; 06-08-2017 at 08:58 AM. Reason: Been enjoying 100-200cals of ice cream instead of a floor bourbon
06-08-2017 , 08:42 AM
We can just call it your English, sure.

As for replacing alcohol with healthier "options", I find that kind of interesting when you've essentially said about your own exercise that it's good enough for you... Weird that on a certain topic you'll generalize for everyone, but on others your individual experience/less than optimal approach is fine.
06-08-2017 , 08:52 AM
I like to drink a beer or two every now and then.
06-08-2017 , 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by fredd-bird
I like to drink a beer or two every now and then.
And this.
06-08-2017 , 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Montecore
You use oil? To grease the waffle maker or in the actual mix?
Mix. You are supposed to use 1tbsp/1cup of mix when doing waffles. I have to say that Iv'e done it with no oil, half oil, and full oil. Full oil really is better.

I have not used the mix for pancakes b/c I love waffles so much but in that case there is no recommendation to add oil to the mix.

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Lol at sugar free syrup when you're not a My 600 lb Life contestant, which given your lack of recent logging you may well be approaching.
Yeah, I only have 400+ to go!

I really like real maple syrup but would be willing to give the 0 cal stuff a try. Maybe it is decent? I dno.

Every few months/years I try a 0 cal salad dressing, have the first salad and think, "hey, this isn't terrible." Then I have a second salad the next day and think, "JFC this is completely terrible, never again."
06-08-2017 , 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Mihkel05
Cite please.

Your limited English skills likely prevent you from understanding what you quoted, but that means that people who are not drinking are not advised to start. You need to show that depressed people are advised to stop drinking when they are drinking in moderation.

Did you happen to ignore the study about mood elevating effects with depressed people and drinking or just not able to process anything that may run counter to what your diseased mind conjures?
Watch your language. I am not SS to let you talk to me this way without consequences.

And now to the english. Although you are a native speaker, you seem to have worse comprehension skills than me.

The text below doesn't state that people with depression are not advised to start. It means that they are not advised to consume alcohol. The healthy individual with moderate consumption doesn't have to stop. And in the next sentence they mention all conditions with which you shouldn't consume alcohol at any dosage.

"
there is no reason to discourage healthy adults who are already regular light-moderate beer consumers from continuing. Consumption of beer, at any dosage, is not recommended for children, adolescents, pregnant women, individuals at risk to develop alcoholism, those with cardiomyopathy, cardiac arrhythmias, depression, liver and pancreatic diseases, or anyone engaged in actions that require concentration, skill or coordination. In conclusion, although heavy and excessive beer consumption exerts deleterious effects on the human body, with increased disease risks on many organs and is associated to significant social problems such as addiction, accidents, violence and crime, data reported in this document show evidence for no harm of moderate beer consumption for major chronic conditions and some benefit against cardiovascular disease. "

With the study you mentioned that according to you advises drinking to treat depression, does have this sentence in abstract:
"Low and moderate doses of alcohol have been reported to increase overall affective expression, happiness, euphoria, conviviality and pleasant and carefree feelings. Tension, depression and self-consciousness have been reported to decrease with equal doses."

You have to find full text to convince me that they mean something else than immediate reaction when you are drunk. Basically I think that what they describe is, that when you are in the moment under alc influence, you feel better.

In other news there are numerous studies that claim increased depression with alcohol consumption.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21382111
or
https://www.clearviewtreatment.com/d...s-alcohol.html

And the current standard of treatment of any psychatric illness is "no alcohol".
06-08-2017 , 09:09 AM
So how many people committed suicide while he was busy talking other people out of committing suicide?
06-08-2017 , 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Gorilla4Sale
We can just call it your English, sure.

As for replacing alcohol with healthier "options", I find that kind of interesting when you've essentially said about your own exercise that it's good enough for you... Weird that on a certain topic you'll generalize for everyone, but on others your individual experience/less than optimal approach is fine.
Again....

I don't want to convince you all to stop drinking. If you drink and it is fine for you and you have your fun go for it. I am so not a substance abuse nazi. I am pro-drugs pro-anything that works for you.

What I am fighting here against is the pressure M05 builds to make people drink.

I mean like with exercise..... I think what I am doing is good enough for me, but there are definitely better options. So I am not trying to pull you all down to my level in this.
06-08-2017 , 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by The Yugoslavian
Mix. You are supposed to use 1tbsp/1cup of mix when doing waffles. I have to say that Iv'e done it with no oil, half oil, and full oil. Full oil really is better.

I have not used the mix for pancakes b/c I love waffles so much but in that case there is no recommendation to add oil to the mix.
Ah, word. We lost our wafflemaker in the move five years ago, and only just got around to getting one this past week, as it happens. I'll give it a shot.

As an aside, I've found for pancakes that the 1/2 cup water per 53 g mix makes batter that is a bit too thin for my tastes; 1/3 cup water per 53 g mix produces a much denser, fluffier, tastier pancake ime.
06-08-2017 , 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted by lapka
What I am fighting here against is the pressure M05 builds to make people drink.
I don't think this is actually happening, though.

      
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