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06-05-2010 , 02:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Schwatt
Any piece of equipment that allows you to lift more weight without affecting the targeted muscle group is a good thing.
Suddenly the deadlift no longer targets your forearms. I see.
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06-05-2010 , 03:04 AM
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Originally Posted by kyleb
What? No. If you intentionally make gripping things harder at the expense of actually performing the compound lift, that is stupid.

Did you miss the part where I said that I don't wear gloves when deadlifting?


Maybe for bodybuilders? That's not my goal. Mine is to perform better at athletics. Having a strong grip helps me in this regard.

Fair enough. But I think a lot of people want to lift more to get bigger/stronger. What athletic endeavor does a herculean grip actually matter besides powerlifting/oly lifting?

Even if the goal is hypertrophy, as stated before, making a lift artificially more difficult to the point of being unable to complete it as a novice/light intermediate will result in less total work and thus less hypertrophy overall. It is counterproductive.

Other than DL, which I don't use gloves for, what lift do they significantly IMPEDE ability to complete it, and how? I'm not a novice/light intermediate.

If your goal is hypertrophy, have you given any thought as to what builds.. large forearms? Do you think they just come out of nowhere? Perhaps they are built best by... gripping heavy things and holding on to them? Not using straps?

When doing any pulling movement, the targeted muscle group isn't forearms. If you want bigger forearms, then do something for that. I'd rather substantially increase weight/volume for pulling movements by using straps.

This is because it's not actually a ****ing deadlift if you use straps. Part of the lift involves... actually being strong enough to hold the bar in your hands. It's not an optional part of the lift or something.

I agree.

Besides, calluses are an adaptation. I have no problems any more with my hands after developing them and neatly filing them down after the first few months of heavy pulling. My skin got tougher and life went on. It's an actual improvement.

I was a carpenter/foreman for a general contractor full and part time for almost 11 years. (<--BEAT ) Don't tell me what weathered hands are. My hands are not even close to smooth and callous free.


So basically your whole argument is a person using gloves/straps will have weak grip and small forearms. I disagree, but both can be addressed in other ways if one desires. If a person is a beginner and just starting out lifting, I can see your side clearly. But for more advanced lifters, you need to do things that help you increase weight/volume.

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06-05-2010 , 03:16 AM
The best way to get big forearms is to hold heavy things. As someone in the construction industry knows, this is self-evident. Hence, unassisted deadlifts.

Wearing gloves also reduces proprioception and interferes with skill due to less awareness of the bar's location/movement.
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06-05-2010 , 03:31 AM
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Originally Posted by kyleb
The best way to get big forearms is to hold heavy things. As someone in the construction industry knows, this is self-evident. Hence, unassisted deadlifts.

Wearing gloves also reduces proprioception and interferes with skill due to less awareness of the bar's location/movement.
I think we are actually closer to agreeing on things than it seems. The rest, we'll have to just agree to disagree.

You are really knowledgeable on this stuff and I respect your opinion. I'm not trying to be an ass, just having a constructive argument. But I'm done with this.

Unrelated topic since you are the shoulder expert: We've talked about my shoulder injury before (hurt it benching, and afterwards pain was almost solely during horizontal pressing) and just wanted to let you know that my rehab the last 9 months or so went well(I have been doing rotator cuff isolation movements). Just curious what ones you think are most effective, as I have tried a bunch of different ones.

But the huge change came recently after a month of taking Animal Flex. Almost no pain last workout horizontal pressing. Highly recommended to anyone with joint injuries/pain.
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06-05-2010 , 03:34 AM
I am watching Optimal Shoulder Performance and want to finish it before I recommend anything other than Side Lying External Rotations.
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06-05-2010 , 06:05 AM
I don't think even Ripples thinks wearing glove is a HUUUUUGE deal. Small rock.

Anyone know what this year's glove fashion is?
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06-05-2010 , 06:16 AM
Soulman,

Skinny gloves ainec.
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06-05-2010 , 06:55 AM
But why would you wear gloves when they're inferior in virtually every respect to another solution?

1) I want to make the bar bigger - Buy fat grips or get a towel.
2) I want to improve grip - Buy some chalk
3) I want the to match my purse - Update wardrobe


etc etc. It is an inferior way of doing anything.
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06-05-2010 , 07:14 AM
I use a man purse, but I'll have you know it's VERY masculine. Made from...TIGER skin. Rawwwwwr.
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06-05-2010 , 07:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Thremp
1) I want to make the bar bigger - Buy fat grips or get a towel.
you really think carrying around a towel or two and wrapping them around the bar every set is a better solution? wow.

and you conveniently left out the main reason people wear gloves -- they keep their hands from forming callouses.
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06-05-2010 , 07:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Josh J
you really think carrying around a towel or two and wrapping them around the bar every set is a better solution? wow.

and you conveniently left out the main reason people wear gloves -- they keep their hands from forming callouses.
Yes. Obviously?

You should follow the thread for why the last item wasn't included.
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06-05-2010 , 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Thremp
You should follow the thread for why the last item wasn't included.
you should follow a logical thought process to realize why it's the most important item to include. then you should let your mom back on her computer and stop misinforming the forum for a while.
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06-05-2010 , 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Schwatt
fyp. If you lift a lot you still get them.
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you should follow a logical thought process to realize why it's the most important item to include. then you should let your mom back on her computer and stop misinforming the forum for a while.
Take it up with those of your own kind.
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06-05-2010 , 12:50 PM
I have a nasty bruise on my left palm. I've been wearing gloves while doing dumbell presses because they protect the bruise a little bit. As I've been doing this, I notice I'm getting less blistering than before. I'll probably keep using them for stuff where grip isnt an issue. I don't really give a rat's ass what it looks like.

Doing deadlifts with gloves is something I won't be doing though. Bare hands + chalk is the best for heavy pulls. I learned that from this forum & reading SS.
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06-05-2010 , 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by cha59
I have a nasty bruise on my left palm. I've been wearing gloves while doing dumbell presses because they protect the bruise a little bit. As I've been doing this, I notice I'm getting less blistering than before. I'll probably keep using them for stuff where grip isnt an issue. I don't really give a rat's ass what it looks like.
I'm not gonna get into the gloves debate again, just want to point out something helpful.

I found some gloves that have built-in wrist-wraps that are great for things like dumbbell presses.
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06-05-2010 , 01:44 PM
I know its against the rules to wish death or any variant on people.

But posts like the above result in me typing out a response and then backspacing furiously.
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06-05-2010 , 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Thremp
I know its against the rules to wish death or any variant on people.

But posts like the above result in me typing out a response and then backspacing furiously.
You seriously wish death on people who wear gloves? Really? Jesus man.
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06-05-2010 , 01:58 PM
Eugenics is a beautiful thing.
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06-05-2010 , 02:08 PM
Posts that just say 'lol' are lame, but I'll make an exception this time.


lol
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06-05-2010 , 02:33 PM
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Eugenics is a beautiful thing.
If all the dumb people were culled from the population, how would you ever get laid? *rimshot*
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06-05-2010 , 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Schwatt
If all the dumb people were culled from the population, how would you ever get laid? *rimshot*
Did you just "yahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh boiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii" your own post?
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06-05-2010 , 03:43 PM
yahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh boiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii he did
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06-05-2010 , 03:58 PM
i'm going to start playing guitar, any ideas on what type of gloves i should wear so i don't get callouses?
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06-05-2010 , 05:10 PM
Depends on your goals. Are you playing guitar for hypertrophy or strength?
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06-05-2010 , 05:29 PM
Just got back from Average Broz. with Johan. Basically it's a room in the back of Broz's granite business where he has a lot of heavy things and a lot of strong people picking them up and putting them over their head.

John was a very cool guy. Probably about as laid back as you can get and seemed really helpful with Johan's lifts. I didn't do anything today since I'm on a M,W,F schedule but I'm looking forward to going back Monday. He said there are about 15 people that train there and luckily for guys like me he doesn't require you to be strong, just work hard. Wouldn't accept payment for training or anything, but the t shirts seem to be well worth the money.

The guys there were pretty into poker discussion so that was interesting.

We talked about SS and Rippetoe a bit and from what I saw Johan came away with some good tips on his lift so it was a pretty informative hour.

Definitely looking forward to going on Monday and having them laugh at when when the girls out squat me by 235823 kilos.
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