sucks that is sold out. 2p2 will be represented there though (not me)
loco and QB you guys need to do what I did and give up on lifting for a few weeks. It took me 6+ months to get back under a bar again but given you guy's more mature history of lifting + lesser extent of back issues, you should get back on track in 2 months or less if you do core work every day and nothing else.
Evoken kept hurting himself (knee mainly) doing Olympic lifting, until he finally threw in the towel. He has never had any problems with deadlifting
Also my current plan is to do exactly what you propose. I just don't know if I will be able to be compliant once my pain goes down. Already my back is feeling good (or as good as it ever does) and the sciatica is getting better every day.
I agree that pain can be a major factor in continuing core work. It has been for me definitely.
Despite that, after my pain started winding down drastically, the way I keep that stuff going is through the knowledge that I am failing some core strength assessment screens. The assessments are quite hard and can have a sense of accomplishment associated with them due to that and the fact that they make you more explosive in a lot of athletic and lifting activities.
Right now I am stuck on the final axis of core assessment - Rotational torque generation.
Evoken, I am pretty sure I saw some deadlifts in your log very recently
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Evoken kept hurting himself (knee mainly) doing Olympic lifting, until he finally threw in the towel. He has never had any problems with deadlifting
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kind of. Hurt mostly from jerking and not snatching/cleaning. Once it was hurt, sq/dl aggravated it. DL continued to aggravate it to the point where I would need 2 weeks between sessions until recently. Now it's fine.
But yeah, throw in the towel. No amount of rehab/pt/technique corrections will likely work, and even if they do it's a whole ****ton of effort compared to just not doing sq/dl in your situation, loco.
Dead srs I would just give up squatting and dling entirely. Not necessary for an aesthetic physique. "efficient", yes, "manly", yes, but not necessary even for the competitive bber much less the hobbyist or guy who wants to eventually get as big as a medium sized fitness model. I was in the same cycle of injury->rest+rehab->injury with oly lifting until I finally broke it and did something different. Best decision I ever made.
I mostly agree with this, except I'd keep the 225 squatting in there. Get the 4x2 up to 3x5 over the rest of 2015. I think that baseline squat strength is really important as you age, and 225x5x3 is kind of a bare minimum. Should be able to do that injury free too, and with whatever form. None of that pushing 3 plate carp.
For aesthetics, yea just do upper body at this point probably.
195x3 backsquat looks okay but notice I start winking above parallel
175x1 paused front squat - probably a hair high but wink minimized
245x1 backsquat - way below but hello buttwink, some twisting too.
I did 225x6 today with no video but felt major form breakdown and should have stopped at 4. Just don't want these lowerbodydyels like EV, number1hater, and stuckinarutt to out squat me.
Anyways, right foot twisting in and heel coming off on all three videos. Of course, I rather squat on the balls of my feet. Way stronger.
Going to keep trying. Higher squats, better bar path, plant heels. See how that goes.
loco mate, at least use straps for FS. You'll be able to lift more, safely. Crazy amount of movement in low back during BS. Lots of things that will fix whatever is wrong with you entirely missing from your programming.
Damn back feels pretty good today. Not bad for doing 245x1 and 225x6 yesterday.
So going home tomorrow to pick up my belt and shoes and give 320 squat another run.
Sensei -
What exercises are you specifically referring to? What you have to remember is that I am an upperbody savant and I only come in at 163lbs. I mean I have to be good for sets of 100 for bird dogs and dead bugs.
17 easy real chins - some of them are clearly chest to bar
Glutes are one of my best bodyparts. Holding 120 here, now doing 140 and my recent form is even better.
I am willing to try new things, so give me your hardest core exercise. But IMO my lowback movement is due to anthropometry. I shouldn't squat deep, especially since all the twisting seems to be exacerbated.
I think the twisting is due to misaligned pelvis. When I was in taekwondo my side kick was a foot shorter for left leg. When I do leg press with two legs, my legs feel uneven and at the bottom of the movement I tend to twist also. For the longest time I thought I had a longer leg. But the DEXA report shows identical bone mineral content for each leg. The DEXA doesn't show a twisted pelvis so I am just making that up so I have an excuse and I can live with myself if I don't hit my 320 squat. Gotta hit it or bust. Squatting says a lot about one self. And if you can't hit a certain minimum you are a pussy and life is going to shiet all over you.
But I am willing to try more core exercises. So far been doing ab wheel and kneeling cable crunch with a pause (with most of the stack). What do you recommend?
I think the reason Evo (and others) are suggesting you stop squatting is because after 7+ years of working on various forms you have yet to put it together and come up with a barbell squat that looks correct. I am not talking about depth either. You have a super slow descent, you look generally stiff and uncomfortable, your legs move around at the bottom, you twist coming up, etc. Looking at those videos, if anything I think your form has regressed in the last couple years.
I think much of the argument for squatting over leg pressing is that it is a more functional, natural, athletic movement. But your squats look anything but functional, natural and athletic. Throw in age and various episodes of back pain, and there doesn't seem to be any non ego related reason for you to barbell squat.
And this is coming from someone who knows cause they are basically in the same boat, except I can actually squat with decent form, but I am old and it hurts so what is the point.
Lol at calling those squats atrocious. I'd probably give some dap to a random guy in a globo gym who squatted like that.
I think going hardcore on the core work might work, as would learning proper core bracing during the squat and only going as deep as form allows in the short term. But pretty sure this is the same advice offered many times before, so...
His squats breakdown as much as mine do when the weights get heavy and he goes below parallel. His belly almost wants to swallow his ass, there is so much buttwink.
My boy candito says he has never seen a squat atg without some buttwink. The 245 atg is just to show why I can't go that deep. Same thing happens to front squat, I can go really deep but I start twisting.
The concern here is the twisting. Gets worse the wider and deeper I go.
The 195x3 is fine, nobody but my back pain is changing my mind.
2x bodyweight squat or bust
Yes -200
No +170
I hit 305 easy a while back. I got this. Pain builds character.
1000 dead bugs and bird dogs dont mean jack **** if you do them incorrectly. Heck I was loading 10kg plates on my back doing planks and thinking my core was champion. Turned out I was still using the wrong form, moving my back in dead bugs, not even knowing what torsional control of the core was.
Sure, bird dogs are easy mate but they are lvl 0 progression. Would you ever guage your squat strength from doing a 1000 box squats? No. You'd move on to the next progression much before that. There is so much more to do in terms of your spine's stability. Lets see how many walk outs, fall outs and even dead bugs you can do while keeping your back as still as a statue
Had a pretty big scare a few weeks ago. I hit an easy paused front squat for 195, so I was okay let's go to 205 and then maybe a couple of weeks later hit the two wheel paused front.
205 was hard, paused, and it went up. But felt pain on my left side! Pain has always been on QL on the right side. For the next 5 days I had pulsating pain every few hours on my left side (top of the hip).
I thought it was game over, both sides busto.
Nope, rest and have been back at it. I got a new strategy.
*Only train lower body with short shorts (Snitch style)
*Concentrate on being even on descent and ascent
*Brought back the squat shoes
* train core often
Also used a belt for squat doubles at 225.
So far, feel fantastic. Haven't felt better in a long time. The point of the short shorts is for self awareness. I am able to keep my legs more even. Heavy front squats have always caused pain and with the shorts shorts I caught myself doing major twisting and going down uneven.
Now the only thing is, I am much weaker when I try to stay even. I am having problems pausing front squats for triples at 135. Crazy because I was hitting crooked paused front squat doubles at 185 just a few weeks ago. Talk about internet weightlifting coach reset to 60kg and work on form.
But this crooked/hip mobility/longer leg or whatever it is problem is real. I got my legs out as far as I could on the squat rack and my limit is exactly the outer border of the squat rack. So probably half way to the splits. But when I kept the left leg touching the squat rack and extended the right leg as far as possible it went around four inches past the right outer edge of the squat rack. But when I tried the left leg, I could not move it past the border of the squat rack! The right leg has 4 inches more ROM.
So short shorts have been key to keep an eye on this nasty unevenness. I look like a manwhore, but going to keep putting up the good fight. I am weaker when I try to squat evenly, this must be it.
