Thanks. Any observations first set vs second set?

long video.

The ones I watched look pretty solid.

I'm thinking there's a significant difference in bar path length but after going back and forth about 10 times I'm not sure anymore

Thanks, guys. I think the first set felt better but the second set keeps my legs in slightly better vertical alignment in all planes. Just need to keep working on mobility.

yeah looks like you brought your heels closer together. fwiw im 5'6 and i line my shins up at the same points as you were, the rings.

I think the first set looked better.

On the phone right now but I think there is a supertraining video with ed coan giving tips on sumo dls

31st July: Hypertrophy Block Week 2 Day 4

Incline Bench Press
72.5x10 (+2.5kg)
72.5x10
72.5x10
72.5x10

db bench press
70x8 (+10kg)
70x8
70x6

db press
25x10 (~)
25x10
25x10

dips
8 (~)
8
8

side raises
5x10 (~)
5x10
5x10

DB Row
40x10
40x10
40x10

pulldown abs
10
10
10

This felt better than the equivalent day last week. Incline is still quite tough, and had to make a big jump on the flat DB's so came up a few reps short. Should be able to get some increase again next week.

Haha, it seems to be pretty evenly split between people liking first and second sets better ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Here is a comment off the team page, from someone who's input should be valuable

My response:

Is the shoulders in front of bar a big deal? I thought the scap-bar-midfoot relationship was still important in sumo, or am I wrong? Hips too low is a negative too, so Im not sure where in the continuum I am... (see Dan Green, Coan, JP Cauchi vids).

Yeah, I've watched it a couple times recently. I feel like I know what should be happening, just not sure if I'm doing it right...

I've done some with hips back like your 2nd set and my back always gives out first. I don't have problem with the "second pull" which I assume he means lockout, I just don't even get it to my knees. Fails like 4 inches off the floor.

With hips closer to the bar you leverage your quads a bit more and can grind it out a bit more in the very bottom of the rom.

Having your hips back could theoretically make the lockout harder as well though. Your back angle should remain mostly constant until your knees are locked out, and then you have to move your shoulders/back through a longer rom to get to vertical. As opposed to starting with a more upright torso (hips closer to the bar).

And hips close to the bar is essentially a mobility issue, with some aspects of lever lengths affecting it too.

I don't think I'll be able to make significant enough mobility gains to make it a primary movement, but decent enough for off season work? I definitely feel it way less in the low back than I would doing conventional for sets of ten.

Then I'll watch a guy like Pozdeev break all the rules and pull like a boss

Those are some insane lifts.

Official Weigh In: 81.9kg (-0.3kg for the week, +0.0kg overall)

No reason for this to be a low weight, but probably need to redouble tracking efforts. Some days I havent really tracked dinner because of social reasons but should have been close enough (unless I really under-estimated those meals). Maybe need to eat extra just to be sure. Been hitting protein target comfortably though, which is nice.

Yeah, he's a straight up beast.

How many more weeks of this? Yeah track everything so we can get an idea of maintenance at 82kg + high volume. I would say 3200+. Maybe even higher, my maintenance was 2800 at 163 when I use to do 4x10 stuff. To start gaining a pound a week I was on 3600 cals (the bread pudding days).

Number1hater same thing. Blew up on SS, now is confused how how he is 148. It is real, always has been. EPOOOOOC.

Loco,

Mike T said his maintenance at 270 is like 2700 cals. is that possible or is he mistaken? He seems like the kind of guy who is very accurate with tracking

Maybe he meant maintenance as in "how much to maintain if I don't train". Given his high level of lean mass, his frequent training and gpp sessions, I'd be pretty surprised be was only eating that much. I'd expect 3200-3500 range. Just a guess tho.

When you say maintenance do you mean TDEE or that including lifting activity too? Also I'm assuming Mike T is not crushing Aidan-like volume when he lifts. Maybe he does... I have no idea.

He meant when he was training he ate 2700 cals to weigh 270.

Melk,

His volume is insanely high

Then something is off. A 270 lb guy just sitting on the couch is pretty close to 2700 TDEE. If we throw in insanely high volume heavy lifting he has to be higher than that.

82.0kg flat this morning so will bump it up to 3350.

It's all about the Deadlift progression. Just the 25s, no time for smaller jumps.

I think I'll start going 60 -> 100 -> 140 -> 180 to make myself feel better.

The feels when 220kg is 60% of your working weight must be good feels.

It's all relative. For most people, the feels of being able to do 220kg x 1 would be good feels.

Nope, more weight is always more impressive.