while im not a fan of the recent supreme court ruling, if you cant beat em' join em'...i just picked this up today. if you see a lump in my pocket i'm not just happy to see you...



this thing is a baby beast. sooo...what's shootin' edf?

This could run to a thousand posts, and nobody in the civilized world will ever understand the US obsession with owning guns.

worst op ever?

1. small pic stolen from some other site
2. doesn't say what it is
3. wtf is a baby beast?
4. stupid reference



even george thinks i have a point

couldnt be worst ever cause ive had farrrr worse

1. stolen?
2. kahr pm9
3. smallest 9mm on planet
4. ref to what?

sorry manu. funny picture of bush.

"Civilized world".

Airplanes, computers, televisions, indoor electricity and stuff like that, right? Because that all originated here, with us and our guns.

Anyway, I'm a Glock 20 guy with a Kel Tec P3AT as my "not carrying a gun" gun.

Kel Tec P3AT... good choice but a .38 is really close to "not carrying a gun". after shooting both and the walther and thinking about what the guns real world use is for i had to go w/ the pm9.

whos obsessed w/ owning guns? i just like to be prepared for the worst...unfortunately the worst is really bad. if everyone will drop their guns at the count of 3 i will drop mine at 2.9 ... im a trusting soul.

The inmates have taken over.

"3. smallest 9mm on planet"
Nope this is way smaller.

Rohrbaugh R9 9mm


This is next to the Kel Tec p3at which is a super small pocket .380


It stinks that is cost 1000 dollars.

OPs gun looks like a Glock 26 w/o the finger grooves or the weird double trigger.

Just curious, why'd you go with Kahr over the more reputable Glock? FWIW, I own a Kahr K9 (the gun they killed Phil Leotardo with in the Sopranos).

EDIT: Also limon, are you actually able to carry that thing aaround concealed with you based off this latest Supreme Court ruling? I thought it mostly dealt with the right to have handguns in your home.

Current firearm collection....

Glock 36 .45
Taurus PT 24/7 Pro(9mm 17+1)
Benelli Supersport .12
Winchester Super X3 Sporting .12
Browning Safari 270 win

I was considering getting a Kel Tec after shooting a buddies of mine the other day, that Rohrbaugh looks nice too. I am pondering if I want something that small.
Even though I have a concealed carry license, when I carry I never conceal. I have it right on the hip to make it known its there which might be stupid. But I carry it as more of a preventative method, maybe though by exposing it will make them shoot first?

I always wondered about this. Do you also have to have some sort of badge or license displayed along with your gun when you roll around "cowboy style" in public?

I mean, in NYC if you're displaying a firearm and you're not obviously a cop or other law enforcement you will get taken down in a hurry, although I guess a holster alone makes you look somewhat legit.

The idea of regular guys walking around with guns out is just foreign to me, do the cops stop you all the time or is it just sort of ignored by everyone? If no one ever questions you it seems that criminals should just get a holster and let the **** shine on their belts 24/7.

I don't, in my wallet I carry a Texas and a Florida conceal license/permits. If any type of law enforcement asks to see it I will gladly show them.

In Texas it was ignored for the most part, simply because I lived in the zip code that had the most conceal license issued in the whole state. When I took the class it was a whole mix of people, soccer moms to your weapons fanatics.

In Florida it is def. a attention drawer when I have had it on in a more public place. My routine is I carry in and out of my office to my car, we have had thefts/robbery in our parking area in the rear areas where I and my staff park. We have also had people try to rob clinics for pharmaceuticals in my area. I also carry out of the car if I am making night deposits.

Otherwise for the most part I am not carrying the thing around like John Wayne in a western flick. I don't just go walking into the grocery store or a restaurant with it on like a big swinging ****.

I'm fairly certain I'd open-carry if it was legal in Canada, but I'm curious as to what kind of a target this makes you for muggings. It seems like it might make you a target both for the value of the weapon and the gun itself.. I would hate to think this would quickly escalate a possible robbery into an immediate "shoot supa in the head first, then take his gun and rummage through his pockets". Thoughts?

If these criminals are OK with shooting people in the head in order to rob them, why would they be MORE likely to do so with a target who OBVIOUSLY can shoot back? Why not just shoot granny in the head and take her purse?

"Hey man, I'd really like to shoot someone in the head and rob them. The only thing stopping me is the possibility that my target might be unarmed!"

wayyyy smaller...lol. i shot both i couldnt hit anything w/ the rohrbaugh. the karh is more of an actual weapon for real world scenarios. also lifetime warranty and less temermental w/ all kinds of 9mm ammo.

It fires any kind of 9mm Luger ammo, remains simple to operate, fits in a 5 1/2 x 4-inch box and weighs 16.9 ounces empty. is smaller than any contemporary pocket auto of serious power and has a great warranty.

and no, i dont carry it around concealed

Long waiting list for those. How do you like it? Some other Kel Tec models are on the flimsy side.

Get out of NYC once in awhile. I knew a couple guys in Arizona that carried on their hips all the time before concealed carry was legalized there. No big deal, nobody cared.

Criminals are cowards. They avoid encounters unless they have a big advantage, so they're not going to mess with anyone that carries (who probably is a helluva lot better shot) and they want a big surprise factor, so they wouldn't openly carry.

Wow, that Rohrbaugh looks like it kicks like a mule. I have a Glock 26 and it's a handful if I try to shoot fast with it.

I thought the weapon itself may be a target for theft. Guns aren't that cheap and may be difficult for some people to obtain. It seems like a way to get targeted for hassling, at the very least.

ive always felt this way as well. i never want anyone to know i have a gun until they are staring down the working end of it.

I love it, however, I'm a mechanically oriented sort of guy who knows how to do fluff-and-buff type work to tune the action, remove unnecessarily sharp working surfaces and generally bring the functionality up to near 100%.

Like a lot of other guns, it's a killer design hampered by fast, industrial production techniques (which is why they cost $249 and a Rohrbaugh costs $1000- the Kel Tec is CNC'd out and assembled while the Rohrbaugh is "hand-fitted together").

With some work, they're awesome, light as a feather and super reliable. Some of them out of the box can be testy, though. Some people get lucky and they run right out of the box.

I have a AMT DA Backup .45 that's like that. It's easily the smallest .45 ACP autoloader ever made, but it took me short of 3 months to get it running, custom fabricating and heat treating new replacement parts, etc. Now that it runs, it's a gem, but definitely not recommended as an "out of the box" defensive pistol for the mechanically disinclined.

my dream gun is a H&K P2000.

i've never shot one though. the local indoor range has one, and i've been meaning to try it out for the past few weeks. last time i tried to go, all 20 lanes were full ?!?!

i'd probably get 9mm for cheapness of reloads, plus i figure a good P++ round can do some damage in a worst-case senario. anyone think a .40 s&w is far and away a better choice?

its a personal choice. i never hope to have to use my guns (especially the flyntlock muzzle loader) but if i do i want to feel comfortable that i can do the job and the tool is the right one for the job.