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January 2017 Extra Special ***ONCE EVER. ONCE IN HUMAN HISTORY.*** MMA/Fightin' Thread

View Poll Results: Who is a UFC Champion at the end of 2017?

Stipe Miocic

13 30.95%

Daniel Cormier

8 19.05%

Michael Bisping

0 0%

Tyron Woodley

1 2.38%

Conor McGregor

20 47.62%

Jose Aldo

19 45.24%

Cody Garbrandt

13 30.95%

Demetrious Johnson

29 69.05%

Amanda Nunes

23 54.76%

Joanna Jedrzejczyk

27 64.29%

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01-18-2017 , 12:42 PM

#301

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Initial thoughts are that it wouldn't do that great, relatively of course. Would people really line up to watch two MMA fighters with mediocre boxing box? I feel this draws near 0% from the boxing crowd, a smaller percentage of MMA fans than they would get just fighting in MMA. I guess you'd get some extra buys for the spectacle? I don't know if Diaz is a big enough name outside MMA for mainstream to really care.

I'd def go with under a million. 700k-900k range?

How's the rest of the card? Is it a UFC event with a boxinv main? Is it just one fight with a few no name boxers on the under card.

1M+ if it's the former, 300-500k if the latter.

01-18-2017 , 01:10 PM

#302

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I was thinking HBO boxing with a standard HBO boxing undercard, maybe something like Lomachenko as co-main (he might be too big a star to be on the undercard) with a couple of other fights.

01-18-2017 , 01:16 PM

#303

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Other idea, Conor and Diaz both sue under the Ali Act and put Chris Brown/Soulja Boy on the undercard of this McGregor Promotions/209 Promotions joint.

01-18-2017 , 01:38 PM

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Connor and nate lawyering the UFC with their boxing license would be hilarious and not too surprising.

01-18-2017 , 02:36 PM

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I think the PPV interview is in part a warning shot fired at the UFC to show he doesn't need them to sell views.

01-18-2017 , 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by eddymitchel

Connor and nate lawyering the UFC with their boxing license would be hilarious and not too surprising.

I really wanna hear a lawyers opinion on the situation. A non biased ones anyways. I know Couture tried to sue the UFC using the ali act to fight Fedor and failed, but that was for MMA.

01-18-2017 , 04:18 PM

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Hendricks-Lombard (middleweight) on the Halifax card. Dos Santos couldn't find a dance partner, still holding out hope they get him facing Werdum the week before but it doesn't seem likely.

01-18-2017 , 05:34 PM

#308

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Originally Posted by pissychips

He is a great talker and Ariel is a decent interviewer, plus they have a good chemistry I am sure them sitting down and just catching up having a conversation without any announcements or breaking news would be worth 4 Euros.

Did you ever see Ariels interview with him in Dublin a few years back? It was brilliant, I would have happily paid for it had it not been available for free on YouTube.

if it's like that old ariel interview, great, but that's unlikely IMO. there are going to be thousands of drunk barbarians in attendance sat in stadium seating. this could very easily just be like that recent onstage thing he did where the crowd was just chanting catchphrases. hope i'm wrong, but i highly doubt this is going to be the cameras off, modest, 'real' conor.

01-18-2017 , 06:29 PM

#309

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Originally Posted by StimAbuser

I really wanna hear a lawyers opinion on the situation. A non biased ones anyways. I know Couture tried to sue the UFC using the ali act to fight Fedor and failed, but that was for MMA.

I wonder like everyone if the boxing license is a loophole

01-18-2017 , 07:30 PM

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I wonder like everyone if the boxing license is a loophole

Actually took the time to skim through it and I think Conor vs Floyd falls short in the purpose of it at least

Quote:

(1) to protect the rights and welfare of professional boxers on an interstate basis by preventing certain exploitive, oppressive, and unethical business practices;

(2) to assist State boxing commissions in their efforts to provide more effective public oversight of the sport; and

(3) to promote honorable competition in professional boxing and enhance the overall integrity of the industry.

This is stated as the purpose of the act. Having a guy who's never boxed professionally before fight the #1 p4p boxer and one of the best of all time doesn't seem to fall into those reasons.

01-18-2017 , 09:48 PM

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The UFC's contracts are ridiculously restrictive. If Conor attempts to pursue a career in boxing (hold your laughter), that kind of contract would never fly.

Related, just watched Conor/Nate I & II again because good fights are fun. Nate manipulated distance really well and used it as a weapon to slow Conor, especially during their first fight. Floyd is going to play with his food before he eats it.

01-18-2017 , 11:54 PM

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Actually took the time to skim through it and I think Conor vs Floyd falls short in the purpose of it at least

This is stated as the purpose of the act. Having a guy who's never boxed professionally before fight the #1 p4p boxer and one of the best of all time doesn't seem to fall into those reasons.

Doesn't have to be connor/Mayweather. Connor/nate boxing match could be step one.

01-19-2017 , 02:06 AM

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Whos idea was this lmao

01-19-2017 , 03:00 AM

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El Diablo

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Stim,

At least put them on different teams playing against each other!

01-19-2017 , 04:04 AM

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Stim,

At least put them on different teams playing against each other!

Completely ruins Woodleys white devil, entitled, makes me sick to my stomach schtick lmao.

I wonder if some WME executive was like man we need to get Woodley to chill on the race talk it's getting too controverial, and someone else was like hey lets make them play charades together on the same team!

01-19-2017 , 05:33 AM

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Hendricks-Lombard (middleweight) on the Halifax card. Dos Santos couldn't find a dance partner, still holding out hope they get him facing Werdum the week before but it doesn't seem likely.

UFC still has JDS / Struve listed as the main on that card -- it's been, what, 2 or 3 weeks since Struve pulled out? I was looking through the rankings for possible replacements, and besides Werdum, every other HW in the top 10 is booked up. Kinda sucks for JDS, as his only other options are guys like Volkov or Omelichysuwibpchyk.

Hendricks / Lombard would be a super weak main event on that already super weak card.

01-19-2017 , 10:48 AM

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Lombard is going to MAUL Hendricks. The guy is on the biggest downswing of his career, maybe the last downswing, and they feed him to a freak of nature who can barely make 185. I guess Lombard has taken two KO's in a row and might be on the way out too, but I feel like he can still succeed in his weight class. He's still an insane beast who puts epic beatings on people in round 1. Hendricks just punted a fight a few weeks ago, how is he gonna fight Lombard looking like he did before?

01-19-2017 , 10:54 AM

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for top guys at 185 lombard probably one of the better matchups, hes short

01-19-2017 , 12:33 PM

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If it's over five rounds I think Hendricks has a good chance. His losses were all either close/debatable decisions to top 10 competition with the exception of the Wonderboy fight. Lombard has a 100% loss by (T)KO record since getting popped & two fights ago fought at WW, so he's not Rockhold sized fighter. Hendricks can win via LnP or third round+ TKO. I'd make him a small (~-145) favourite over five rounds & a small (+135) underdog over three rounds. I'd be very surprised if either guy was a bigger than -200 favourite when the lines come out.

01-19-2017 , 12:37 PM

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johnny hendricks sucks and it's time for somebody to put him out of the ****ing promotion for good.

so sick of watching this lazy low output fatass "fight"

01-19-2017 , 02:47 PM

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http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2017/1/19...trious-johnson

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“Some people say it’s a racist sport. They second I bring up race, I’m immediately ‘race baiting’, but I can point out clear facts that no other champion has been treated like me.

“I’m not saying they’re supporting him more (because he’s white), but he sure as heck has fans that cross the line quite a bit — which is not his fault, I’m not saying it’s his fault. Let’s get that clear — But let’s put the cards on the table, real is real. If I was a different complexion, people and fans would treat me a different way.”

Woodley furthered his case by bringing up the treatment of fellow top fighters.

“Who’s the pound-for-pound fighter in the world right now? Demetrious Johnson. African-American male, complete Tasmanian Devil. Why isn’t he getting the big endorsements? Why isn’t he making the most money? What’s the difference?

“Think about it. The second Jon Jones slipped on a banana peel — granted he’s his own worst enemy — but they can’t wait to throw him underneath the bus. People of different races are given several chances.”

For his part, Wonderboy says had a different point of view, particularly with how the UFC has handled both of their careers.

“(Jon Jones) threw himself under the bus, what are you talking about?” Thompson responded. “I don’t see that at all. I don’t see it. I think we were promoted the exact same way.”

Woodley, who has been champion for 6 months, disagrees completely.

“I’m by far the worst treated champion in history of the UFC. Blatantly facts,” Tyron said. “There’s no “think”, it’s complete fact.”

JFC Woodley.....

Couture (hell, even Amanda if you want to get more recent) might take issue with the "worst treated champion", and Ronda and Conor were both completely thrown under the bus as soon as they lost. People hate heels, news at 11!

01-19-2017 , 02:53 PM

#322

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They both suck now. Don't forget Lombard was send to MW due to Magny beating him into a living death.

Weidman vs Mousasi set for UFC 210.

Weidman is still muh boy, but man I'm worried about him losing 3 in a row. Not long ago this would have been a gimme fight for him, but who knows how he's doing after that nuclear knee from Yoel. Two vicious finishes in a row, plus a ton of injuries. Really sad, only 15 fights in his career and his bodys taken insane amounts of damage in and out of the ring.

Wish they would have given him a tune up fight. That said he still looked good in the Yoel fight, just got caught by Roidmero.

01-19-2017 , 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Daddy Warbucks

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JFC Woodley.....

Couture (hell, even Amanda if you want to get more recent) might take issue with the "worst treated champion", and Ronda and Conor were both completely thrown under the bus as soon as they lost. People hate heels, news at 11!

Yea he's a crazy person. Title shot after 2 fight win streak against non top 5, one of those a split decision. First defense is co-main on biggest and most historical card in UFC history. They even tried to get him Nick Diaz, who turned it down. He's a host on FOX. Meanwhile he's got 124k twitter followers, lowest of any champ and lower than most contenders lol.

You got Aldo getting honeydicked for over a year, Nunes getting 0 promo, Stipe getting no promo and a lame contract.

01-19-2017 , 03:12 PM

#324

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Has Woodley ever heard of Floyd Mayweather?

01-19-2017 , 03:33 PM

#325

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Tyson takes things too far (e.g re. Jon Jones) but there's no doubt being white is, [I]ceteris paribus[I], an advantage over being black for promotional reasons as well as in many things in life.

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