Oh I don't mean to say he is terrible or anything. His ground game is great, esp for a HW, but in more then one promo it has been hailed as "the best" which is silly.

pokeriseasy you're def entitled to your opinion but if they fought and I could get Fedor at -200 I would sell everything I own and put it on Fedor

humm?

lesnar carwin velasquez JDS



mir might be 5th with nelson. And its hard to tell if hes better than big nog.

He was talking about BJJ afaik.

Also, when is the last time a ufc fight got
a)stopped bc of a cut
b)didn't happen because someone didn't make weight?

I watched ufc50+ and I remember they used to stop fights bc of cuts, can't remember a single one though in the last 20 or so ufc ppvs.
And I'm not a 100% sure but I seem to remember a fight getting cancelled bc a guy didn't make weight, did I imagine that or is the 'give up x% of purse' a rule that wasn't always there? (and I'm not talking about TUF)

Cut stoppages aren't that rare. Diego against BJ for one. There have been others recently, someone else can probably remember.

I thought it was pretty likely Dunham was going to get stopped from his cut after the first round, but it really didn't open up too much more. Sherk not even trying to hit him for two rounds was good for something I guess.

bonnar vs Krzysztof Soszynski @ufc110 was also stopped bc of a cut
and that cro cop fight on that card too

my bad if thats what he meant.

That's a fairly big if.

If a choke isn't pressing both sides of the neck it really isn't pleasant but you can tolerate it surprisingly long, especially if you're fit and not panicking.

This too.


It wasn't actually stopped but the ?Dunham? fight in 119 the ref paused the fight with 10 seconds left in the round and the other fighter in an advantageous position to check on a cut? Bad reffing IMO, it's a cut the guy has had for a while, 10 seconds isn't going to make that much difference.

I think the UFC loves blood too much to stop fights for cuts unless they're seriously dangerous (the disintegrated nose from first week of the last season of TUF for example). Dana knows the Affliction demographic get a special thrill from fighters bleeding.

Didn't even realise Diego was stopped bc of a cut, it was after such a beating in the 5th round that I didn't register as a cutstoppage it in my mind
you're right, forgot about those.
I guess cutmen also got better at fixing cuts+doctors have more experience at MMA.

Joined that fightclub thing for UFC116, then totally forgot there was a london event coming up. Had a blast at ufc116 but no idea if I even wanna go to ufc120, first glance card doessn't look great and it's gonna be awkward when I'm jumping out of my seat when Bisping gets knocked out I guess I just don't care for most of the uk fighters tbh.

Where are you hearing this?

high five!

Thought it was pretty clear that's what I meant, I did mention a few posts earlier that I thought Mir was at best the 7th best HW in the world.

JDS TKO'd Crocop.

interesting article on BE about a question i asked myself before; did the ufc create any megastars (500k+ sellers) in the last years and what are they gonna do once the current megasellers retire

but on mmalive franklin mcfail said JDS submitted crocop

JDS punched Cro Cop in the eye, and Cro Cop waved his hand at the ref and said he couldn't see out of that eye, he ended the fight against Mir unconscious.

Seems kind of silly to make the distinction in this case. JDS finishing was almost inevitable, it's like faulting someone with a locked in rnc for not leaving their opponent unconscious imo.

I wouldn't say a finish was inevitable. It looked to me like it was heading to a decision before the eye-punch, although a clear decision win for JDS. The Mir-CroCop fight looked like it was heading to extremely uneventful decision in which I wouldn't have been surprised to see some rounds scored as draws.

not trying to defend mcfail but could'nt it be considered a verbal submission?

I think the comment was in response to questions about JDS's ground game.

Did you even see this fight? JDS dominated the 1st round but never rocked Cro Cop and for the next round and a half the fight was fairly even, Cro Cop consistently landed the straight left and really forced JDS to slow down his attack. JDS certainly put together more combos and probably landed more punches but I'd say in the 2nd round the harder strikes were landed by Cro Cop and he was never in danger of being KO'd. You're talking about this fight like it JDS and Nelson where for 3 rounds we waited for JDS to finish Nelson off, that was not the case against Cro Cop.

Yea, easily the dumbest comment McNeil has ever made. I think it was Bonnar who was talking about JDS' ground game and McNeil says something along the lines of I don't want to hear about his lack of ground game he submitted Cro Cop, when it was a verbal submission after an uppercut to the eye.

It's irrelevant if they could finish Crocop or not. He doesn't engage whatsoever anymore, so it's very difficult to do.

Did the knee that Mir landed on Cro Cop remind anyone of this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2FfQWBeyp8

It's all speculation, stuff about M1 back in talks with the UFC, agreeing to all the original terms or something. I cant remember it all but there was a interview with the guy that replaced Jerry Millen at M1 and he was hinting at a bunch of new stuff. Like I said I will believe it when I see anything official for once.