speaking of lines thoughts on the following:

dan miller +310 vs maia
serra -130 vs trigg

almost typed in a crocop line vs rothwell but ive been fooled by mirko too many times to believe him now

i have been looking forward to nog trying double wrist control on brock for so long

i kind of want brock to lose a couple fights and for stefan struve to win a couple so we can see the skyscraper try it

I am still kinda confused how people the average view of Brock is "unstoppable" because he beat Mir. For starters he is hopeless on his feet unless he catches you, and well that's standard for HW fighter, and does everyone ignore his performance over a 46 year old 205 fighter? I mean yea he won but he got what one takedown? Over a much smaller fighter when is supposed to be "unstoppable". I am in the group that agrees that Nog handled Randy better overall then Brock, plus people think Mir is actually amazing on the ground when he isn't. Nog would do alot better position wise on the ground, wouldn't get put in ******ed spots right away like Mir, and is just as threatening if not more off his back. That said I of course still see Nog as a dog, but people are acting like he cant win cause Brock beat Frank Mir? Come on.

Come on, Mirko has to have the Rothwell fight... at least I hope so.

I know everyone hates it when a fighter says they are rededicating themselves and coming back, and most the time its not true, but if it could happen one time, let it me Cro Cop, would be so epic. That said I just cant see him losing to Rothwell.

yea his standup looked HORRENDOUS vs mir but if you cant stop his takedowns, and if he can defend subs, trap people with his size and pound away til its stopped then its hard to imagine many people having a chance to beat him. maybe a cain with his wrestling and better boxing, maybe if nog could pull off a sub and not get pounded to dust with his chin and keeping brock in guard instead of half guard.

well.....i believed mirko before the overeem fight when he said how he was going to show up in 100% shape then he showed up tiny and looked slow and old. then i believed mirko when he said he was coming back to ufc and was going to win the belt or die trying, then watched that pitiful performance vs JDS where he refused to engage and just looked scared the entire time. i dont have any faith in him anymore. i agree he should kill rothwell but god ive given up hope on him lol

Yea, I'm not banking on it. When he actually engaged JDS he did well, but yea that was like 4 or 5 times the entire fight. Apparently he going to a sports psychiatrist now, and has changed his camp, so who knows, but he might just be past his prime and need to accept that.

I think I have more hope in rjj at this point than cro cop... or maybe not. they're both equally hopeless.

Lesnar returns to fight no thanks to Canada:

http://www.thestar.com/sports/articl...anks-to-canada

Daut, I like the miller line, but I would hold off on it, I think it will continue to move for Maia for a bit more.

I think Serra will win but will not be betting on that fight really.

Also, the line is moving to rothwell, and I think Crocop will actually beat this guy regardless of how he comes in really. Hes way too good for Rothwell to KO him, and Rothwell isnt good enough to back him up and try to kill him like JDS. But the line will get better for Crocop and prob move down to -135 or something and Ill get on it then.


WOOOOOP WOOOOOOP @ Lesnar news.

Edit: anyone knwo if there is a Bonnar/Kyrstof line ANYWHERE?

Such a weird headline.

So there is a good chance Lesnar will face Mir again?

WTF, give the Nogueira-Velasquez winner the shot if Mir wins.

Having Brock fight the same guy 3 times in 5 fights is dull.

Yea I have read this a bunch of times and seen the interview, I don't get it. Didn't get get properly diagnosed in Canada? Then he just runs back to the States where he was mis diagnosed? I don't get how this makes the Canadian Medical system bad.

Agreed.

hopefully carwin wins so lesnar fights him like he was suppose to, mir shouldn't have another shot

but mir hates lesnar so much, GRRRRR

Very poorly worded but the headline is negative towards Lesnar, not the Canadian hospital.

"Lesnar returns, no thanks to Canada"

If you read the article what they are saying is "Lesnar recovers and is ready to fight again, without ever acknowledging the Canadian medical staff who properly diagnosed him" Lesnar; "I went to the hospital in Canada, realized quickly that I had to get out of Canadian health care"

"no thanks to Canda" refers to Lesnar not offering thanks for the assistance although it reads like a sarcastic comment "yeah I'm fine... no thanks to the driver who almost ran me off the road."

Confusing headline.

he gained 30 lb back within a few weeks of getting back into the gym and training


which is just really amazing imo.

disagree

i'm really pumped to see mir get worked again after rededicating himself and packing on pounds.

he keeps on asking for brock, he's positioned himself near the top of the pile and there's enough bad blood for this fight to pop again.

I think Mir is simultaneously the most underrated and overrated fighter in the UFC. Hardcore fans talk like he's a total scrub because of the beatdowns by Lesnar and Brandon Vera, whereas noobs think he's a BJJ wizard cause he broke Tim Sylvia's arm. The truth is somewhere in between.

Mir's resume is still pretty impressive: wins over Nog, Sylvia, Lesnar, Kongo and a lot of quick subs over scrubs. Many of those wins were the result of being in the right place at the right time (i.e. Lesnar's first real fight, zombie Nog, etc.), but they are still somewhat impressive wins nonetheless. A zombie Nog and green Lesnar are still very dangerous. Another thing in Mir's favor is that he doesn't mess around with lesser fighters. He's very good at getting subs in the first 2 minutes of a fight, which is not easy even against scrubs. And his stand-up and cardio have clearly improved from the Ian Freeman days.

Anyway, most people don't base their opinion that Lesnar is a beast solely because of his win over Mir. It is possible to base an opinion on the POTENTIAL of a fighter. The oft-heard "Who has he beaten!?!" question isn't always relevant. Just cause a fighter hasn't beaten a top 5 fighter or whatever does not necessarily mean he isn't capable of it. And yes Lesnar's is standup isn't that good, but: (a) it doesn't have to be that good and (b) it's still pretty good given how short he's been training in it, so it's reasonable to expect even more improvement in that department.

All that being said, I think Carwin will smash Mir, so I'm not too worried about a Lesnar-Mir trilogy.

slickpoppa,

you just spent four paragraphs arguing against your original point.

What original point?

My points are:
1. Mir is better than some people think, and worse than others think
2. Lesnar is a beast for reasons other than the Mir beatdown
3. Carwin is gonna beat Mir

I don't see any contradiction there.

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2010/1/20...ko-vs-fabricio

not so exciting

sounds like he just lost water weight then, which is common for hospital stays.

Carwin is also terribly overrated, and I think Mir should definitely be the favorite in this fight. (haven't seen odds yet though)

Totally agree with the bolded part.

I agree mostly with your Brock argument, why main point is his performance against Randy, I mean they both got 1 takedown each, and Randy actually had more control over Brock up against the cage then he did. I think if Randy didnt get caught he was probably on his way to take over the later rounds, Brock was slowing down significantly, and if Brock cant man handle Randy, I see him doing about as good with Fedor, except Fedor is 10 times more dangerous on his feet and off his back.

Any time you lose a lot of weight from being sick it comes back pretty easily. Pretty much any time you lose a lot of weight really quick regardless of reasons, even if you are trying to, it will come back unless you put a lot of work to prevent it.

I'm a firm believer that the body has a weight it wants to be and will do its best to be that weight. You can change it, but it takes time and work to "reset" that base weight.