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View Poll Results: Who will leave champion at UFC 128?
Maurício "Shogun" Rua
50 54.35%
Jon "Bones" Jones
42 45.65%

03-21-2011 , 01:22 AM
mostly I dislike the idea of someone who is 9-0 with a good but not great college wrestling career being the GOAT mma-fighter simply because he beat up brock.
03-21-2011 , 01:23 AM
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Originally Posted by willie
actionjeff you might like this

bones deadlifting 225

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfeIHa_ep94

yeah this guy would have NO problem out powering Cain and brock lesnar.

he's the second coming of christ obv.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPkvb...eature=related
03-21-2011 , 01:24 AM
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Originally Posted by dzh90
mostly I dislike the idea of someone who is 9-0 with a good but not great college wrestling career being the GOAT mma-fighter simply because he beat up brock.
? His wrestling credentials are 10 times that of Jones though?
03-21-2011 , 01:29 AM
Cain's credentials are better than Jones' for sure but he wasn't some unstoppable freak of nature in college wrestling. Cain manhandling Brock is very impressive and so is the way Jones has tossed around his last few opponents.
03-21-2011 , 01:35 AM
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Originally Posted by dzh90
Cain's credentials are better than Jones' for sure but he wasn't some unstoppable freak of nature in college wrestling. Cain manhandling Brock is very impressive and so is the way Jones has tossed around his last few opponents.
Yea, I mean I think Jones is even more dominate then Cain is. Which is saying alot. The thing is he is more dominate in a lower weight class, and not a 15 lb lower weight class you know what I mean? I think they are much different fighters, both very talented, Cain is simply bigger and doesn't slow down the pace even for a second.
03-21-2011 , 01:47 AM
Jones will outwrestle and outstrike Velasquez. Lesnar took Cain down twice, Jones can do the same. Bones could have problems with someone like Carwin tho who is a lot bigger.
03-21-2011 , 01:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Charles Bukowski
Probably something along the lines of making over a million dollars easily.
Oh ya i forgot that they get paid.

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Originally Posted by Kirbynator
% to win vs jones imo:
cain>carwin>lesnar>silva>dos santos>rampage/shogun>machida>evans> [?]
I think lesnar's brawl strategy, weight, and wrestling skill would put him in front of carwin. I think cain is the fav b/c he is very fast and athletic. He more or less out wrestled lesnar last match iirc, and his punches were amongst the hardest recorded by the espn thing or whatever. If only cain had BJJ...

overall, I think the HW debate is a silly topic for a year b/c if and when JJ moves up, everything will be reshuffled. If jones beats evans, and then rampage, he will have beaten 4/5 best LHW. Maybe they will feed him machida. After this, I think bones will 100% wanna move up. I think the fans already want him to move up.
03-21-2011 , 01:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Dustin D
Jones will outwrestle and outstrike Velasquez. Lesnar took Cain down twice, Jones can do the same. Bones could have problems with someone like Carwin tho who is a lot bigger.
The same Cain that popped back up from the 300lb man, took him down and smashed him in 3 minutes? How is this a debate? IF Brock cant keep him down for more then 2 seconds how is Jones going to?
03-21-2011 , 01:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Dustin D
Jones will outwrestle and outstrike Velasquez. Lesnar took Cain down twice, Jones can do the same. Bones could have problems with someone like Carwin tho who is a lot bigger.
Oh, for some reason I was under the impression that cain's wrestling> lasnar's in that fight. (not sarcastic btw)
03-21-2011 , 01:55 AM
just watched the fight. Rua tapped after the fight had been stopped. IMO this means he did not tap to strikes.
03-21-2011 , 02:01 AM
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Originally Posted by willie
actionjeff you might like this

bones deadlifting 225

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfeIHa_ep94

yeah this guy would have NO problem out powering Cain and brock lesnar.

he's the second coming of christ obv.
Uhh that's not really a lot of weight at all. I'm in no athletic shape and I can easily put that up. I think he's more functionally strong than lifting strong anyways.

Oh and this is about what I think:


Jon Jones vs Cain @HW
+200

Jon Jones vs Overeem @HW
+400

Jon Jones vs A Silva @LHW
-300

Jon Jones vs Brock @ HW
+130

Jon Jones vs GSP @ LHW (how does GSP win? He'd be giving up 25 lbs)
-2400

Jon Jones vs Sonnen @ LHW (uhh how on earth does Sonnen win, ever?)
-2000

Jon Jones vs Machida @ LHW
-400
03-21-2011 , 02:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Dustin D
Jones will outwrestle and outstrike Velasquez. Lesnar took Cain down twice, Jones can do the same. Bones could have problems with someone like Carwin tho who is a lot bigger.
this is pretty bad logic imo

also for anyone who thinks brock outwrestled cain in the 90 or so secs it was on the ground needs to watch that fight again
03-21-2011 , 02:25 AM
Here's mine i think overeem easily matches up best with jones and to be honest i dont really see jones path to victory if that fight occurred, jones reach will be basically gone, reem stronger and better striker (2010-11 reem is completely different animal than the reem that got tkoed by shogun in pride), man they need to get reem in ufc asap

on Jones vs Cain @HW
+250

Jon Jones vs Overeem @HW
+500

Jon Jones vs A Silva @LHW
-800

Jon Jones vs Brock @ HW
-50

Jon Jones vs GSP @ LHW
-3500

Jon Jones vs Sonnen @ LHW (uhh how on earth does Sonnen win, ever?) +1
-infiniti

Jon Jones vs Machida @ LHW
-300
03-21-2011 , 03:45 AM
ill take a bunch of action on jones +300 vs. overeem if someone wants to book a bet given a reasonable timeframe of this happening shoot me a pm
03-21-2011 , 03:55 AM
I would beg borrow and steal to throw the world down on Silva at +800
03-21-2011 , 04:56 AM
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Originally Posted by billzfan86
Here's mine i think overeem easily matches up best with jones and to be honest i dont really see jones path to victory if that fight occurred, jones reach will be basically gone, reem stronger and better striker (2010-11 reem is completely different animal than the reem that got tkoed by shogun in pride), man they need to get reem in ufc asap
no mention at all of how jones can put him down and keep it there?
03-21-2011 , 05:03 AM
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Originally Posted by dzh90
Cain's credentials are better than Jones' for sure but he wasn't some unstoppable freak of nature in college wrestling. Cain manhandling Brock is very impressive and so is the way Jones has tossed around his last few opponents.
Cain was in a very very very good era of heavyweight wrestling tho. And did really well.
Wrestling against Steve Mocco and Cole Conrad and doing well is super impressive. In a weaker year(s) Cain just might have dominated. And he did all this as a small guy.

Cains wrestling is awesome and i would be shocked if he got outwrestled by Jon Jones (that is most likely what would decide such a fight).

Cain may only be 9-0, but we have definitely seen more of Cains strengths and weaknesses than we have of Jon Jones.
We've seen him get taken down by a mammoth wrestler and popping back up.
We've seen him take huge punches to the chin and keep going.
We've seen his cardio tested.

Jon Jones is awesome, but people saying he will steamroll Cain because he is "better at everything" seem crazy to me.

Maybe i have to get used to it always being like this. When Anderson frontkick KO vitor, hes the GOAT.
Now that Jones had an impressive win, hes the GOAT and would probably have ragdolled Karelin in a wrestling match.
03-21-2011 , 05:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Kirbynator
no mention at all of how jones can put him down and keep it there?
I mean, you really think so though? While Jones is obviously an outstanding wrestler he would be outweighed by 25 lbs at minimum (I assume Jones isn't going to be larger than 235 by fight time, seeing as though it is very hard to put on good weight while training for a fight. He is definitely not outmuscling the Reem in the clinch and I think it is a VERY dangerous spot for him. If you watch his fights, the majority of his TDs come from here rather than long double leg shots (except for the first TD with Bader). If he tries any of his crazy stand up with Reem, even a glancing blow would do large damage imo. And he obviously is not going to outstrike Reem weighing so much less against the K1 OWGP Champ. I just think his power is far too much for Jonny Bones to deal with in 6 mos.
03-21-2011 , 06:49 AM

did he land the flying knee?
03-21-2011 , 07:26 AM
I would wager my life to win $500k on Overeem vs. Jon Jones. Did you guys see how scrawny Jon's legs are? I think overeem might be able to snap one of Jones' femurs with a leg kick.
03-21-2011 , 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by SteelersDMW
I mean, you really think so though? While Jones is obviously an outstanding wrestler he would be outweighed by 25 lbs at minimum (I assume Jones isn't going to be larger than 235 by fight time, seeing as though it is very hard to put on good weight while training for a fight. He is definitely not outmuscling the Reem in the clinch and I think it is a VERY dangerous spot for him.
235 by fight time?

the guy walks at like 230!

jones can get 250+ easy i think

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Originally Posted by SteelersDMW
. If you watch his fights, the majority of his TDs come from here rather than long double leg shots (except for the first TD with Bader).
true
03-21-2011 , 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Kirbynator
235 by fight time?

the guy walks at like 230!

jones can get 250+ easy i think
He said he was 218 before cutting, didn't he?

Why would he want to put on 30lbs of water/fat? Or are you saying he could easily get to 250+ ripped?
If so, what kind of timeframe are we talking about here.
03-21-2011 , 08:57 AM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ce-arrive.html

Jon Jones gets some love from the UK Tabloids.

His actual in ring exploits mean nothing here, but he's a cage fighter and he apprehended a criminal. I thought cage fighters were usually dumb criminals who got apprehended.
03-21-2011 , 09:02 AM
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Originally Posted by 1up
He said he was 218 before cutting, didn't he?

Why would he want to put on 30lbs of water/fat? Or are you saying he could easily get to 250+ ripped?
If so, what kind of timeframe are we talking about here.
someone told me his walking weight was 230-235 from an interview, i should probly try to find the source.

Both fat and muscle would help against overeem to take him down and keep him there, no?
03-21-2011 , 09:22 AM
Been thinking about who best challenges Bones in 205 and think it actually might be Couture. Randy's the best tactician in the div., has the wrestling to compete with JJ, and held use the fence/clinch/dirty boxing to try to negate the reach. It's more a statement that no one else in LHW has much of a shot, but I think I'd actually like to see this fight on more than a spectacle level.

      
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