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View Poll Results: Who will leave champion at UFC 128?

Maurício "Shogun" Rua

50 54.35%

Jon "Bones" Jones

42 45.65%

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03-01-2011 , 12:57 PM

#26

STA654

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Despite the opinion of the poll voters Jones is a 2:1 favorite on the betting sites.

03-01-2011 , 01:04 PM

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Charles Bukowski

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Originally Posted by STA654

Despite the opinion of the poll voters Jones is a 2:1 favorite on the betting sites.

people who were favorites over shogun

chuck
machida twice
rampage
arona
lil nog

Being the underdog aint no thang baby.

03-01-2011 , 01:39 PM

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MikeyPatriot

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And you never responded. In 5 minutes of "research" I found Velasquez outstriking Kongo something like 115-10 and it being a 10-9 round. I know that isn't 150-2 but Velasquez had better position (wasnt in Kongo's guard the whole time) than Fitch ever had.

FightMetric has it 117-14. And then the bolded.

Edit: I wouldn't be against that round being scored 10-8 either.

03-01-2011 , 01:47 PM

#29

cobrakai111

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My rule is if a guy pulls off legit suplexes and spinning back elbows while still having amazing fundamentals then I will be a fan of yours.

03-01-2011 , 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeyPatriot

FightMetric has it 117-14. And then the bolded.

Edit: I wouldn't be against that round being scored 10-8 either.

I think his point was also Cain didn't lay in Kongos guard for the entirety of that round and I would wager his 117 strikes had alot more on them then Fitches. (not saying because he is a HW, I mean in a general sense)

Once again though, I am not arguing Fitch shouldn't of got a 10-8, scoring it live I said to my friends "Man, I am rooting for BJ but I actually feel bad for Fitch, worked his ass off that round but isn't gonna get a 10-8 ever for his efforts" I was surprised when they gave it to him, and not because he didn't deserve it, but because they have give much more deserving rounds 10-9 imo. It would be better if they started handing them out more for sure. A fight like Lawlor vs Simpson where Lawler beat the ever living **** out of Simpson in round 1, then barley gets out wrestled for 2 rounds and loses the fight are great examples of one round being worth much more but getting the same score as a razor thin round.

03-01-2011 , 02:37 PM

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03-01-2011 , 02:37 PM

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I doubt Cain's punches had more on them, after that fight is when many people started saying Cain had pillow hands since he landed so many punches and didn't leave 1 bruise, scratch or hint of swelling on Kongo's face.

03-01-2011 , 03:10 PM

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Kongo was ****ed up. They called him Pillow fists cause he landed 300+ punches and didn't finish, which is odd for a HW. Kongo couldn't stand at the end of the 3rd, and was bleeding from the mouth and nose, obviously bruises are gonna show (omg wacist).

03-01-2011 , 03:12 PM

#34

Filip

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Originally Posted by Charles Bukowski

Also I would like a civil logical person rooting for jones to break down to me why.

As a monstrous MMA fan I cannot for the life of me understand why anyone would root for jones. I can understand thinking he'll win.. but rooting for him is a different story.

Don't know how to ask it without sounding like a douche... but I legitimately simply just want to understand bones fans.

I root for Jones because he entertains me.

03-01-2011 , 03:13 PM

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Assani Fisher

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVXq6rarJaE

I really like this guy, would be awesome if he could put together a nice winning streak

03-01-2011 , 03:29 PM

#36

Assani Fisher

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Originally Posted by Charles Bukowski

I knew it'd come off bad but I don't care. No that's not what I'm saying. I'm asking to hear their perspective so that I can better understand it.

Of all the message boards I frequent I've yet to see Jones fans explains why they love him. It's generally " Oh hes a freak athlete and hes going to kill everyone "

I dunno I think I wanna hear why other people like him so I can maybe start to like him myself. So far I've only found things that rub me the wrong way.

probably the same reason why Barry Sanders was so loved by fans

03-01-2011 , 03:33 PM

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Assani Fisher

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Originally Posted by Charles Bukowski

Meh bible thumper, admitting to snitching on kids for smoking pot. Has that fake personality aura about him. Just says things everyone wants to hear but every now and then you can see the cockiness and douchiness sneak out of him. Kind of like Anderson Silva before Anderson was dominating everyone and untouchable. Though i certainly understand people being fans of his & my original question wasn't really how you can be a Jon Jones fan... but how you can root for Jon Jones over Shogun. Rooting against Shogun is in the same league as rooting against Fedor or Wandy. Especially against someone brand new to the sport.... NO CAN ACCEPT.

There is a chance I'm finding reasons not to like him because I'm such a huge Shogun fan and I've always realized how much of a threat he'd become to Shogun eventually.... but regardless I still don't think I'd like him.

Bible thumpers really bother me though. So do kids who snitch on other kids for smoking pot.

It sounds like you care more about a fighter's personality than his in-ring performance. Personally, I like some guys because I like their personalities(see post #35), but I don't ever dislike a guy because of his personality. I care much more about the in-ring product. The only guys I dislike are guys who I don't enjoy watching or who play for my team's rival in team sports.

03-01-2011 , 03:41 PM

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And I actually think its hilarious that so many MMA fans hate certain fighters when, as a whole, this sport has very respectful, well spoken, and reasonable athletes in comparison to other sports. I wasn't familiar with Bisping too much, but due to all of the 2p2 hate I decided to watch him postfight interview with Ariel...hes a very reasonable and humble guy for a pro athlete! And now people dislike Jones because hes too religious? I mean, I can't even imagine how many of you would flip out if there was a guy like Albert Haynesworth in the NFL. Or what about when Dwight Howard first came into the league? Just sit back and enjoy the fights and stop looking for all these reasons to dislike different fighters imo.

03-01-2011 , 04:21 PM

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pokeriseasy

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Lol, don't let that 1 interview fool you. Even Sonnen came off extremely humble and likeable immediately after his fight with Silva.

03-01-2011 , 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by pokeriseasy

Lol, don't let that 1 interview fool you. Even Sonnen came off extremely humble and likeable immediately after his fight with Silva.

Exactly. Bisping has a long history of being a douchebag.

03-01-2011 , 04:58 PM

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Joss

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Originally Posted by pokeriseasy

I don't think Joss realizes how close BJ came to being finished in the 3rd round. You don't have to be visibly dazed to be stopped, for example look at Hughes/Penn II. Hughes probably put as bad of beating in Round 3 of that fight as Fitch did in round 3 of their fight the only difference was Hughes had Penn in a crucifix but in reality Penn was as helpless in both fights. The way Fitch had Penn pinned up on the cage coupled with Penn being spent Fitch could've landed punches until Penn went limp. And this is coming from a huge BJ Penn fan, he got dismantled in the 3rd round, that was a 10-8 round. You won't see many rounds that dominant that don't result in a finish.

I think because it was Fitch some people don't want to give him credit.

Ok, I just rewatched the fight and I just don't think it was close to getting stopped. BJ had nothing offensively but he was still moving his hips and trying to tie up Fitch's arms. Even the last minute BJ is pretty actively trying (but failing) to improve his position. If he was close it getting stopped it would be due to him checking out mentally, not because he took an unsustainable amount of damage.

03-01-2011 , 05:54 PM

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I love Jon Jones because he is kryptonite to lame ass wrestle boxers.

Bukowski - most of the time you are OK in my book. But you are being ******ed in this thread.

03-01-2011 , 06:40 PM

#43

tehbandit

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I love Jon Jones because he is kryptonite to lame ass wrestle boxers.

Bukowski - most of the time you are OK in my book. But you are being ******ed in this thread.

BOOM

03-01-2011 , 08:13 PM

#44

Charles Bukowski

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Originally Posted by pokeriseasy

Peoples facial tissue etc are just simply different. If that had been fedor cain was on top of his face would of looked like it went through a meat grinder.

Anderson Silva got hit more times than anyone ever inside the octagon and he looked like he just stepped out of a shower.

03-01-2011 , 08:20 PM

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Charles Bukowski

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I don't want to derail this thread with religious talk but I just wanted to state it has nothing to do with his religious view but about him being so self important he thinks god is helping him win a sporting event yet god is letting kids starve to death. All athletes who do this come off so pretentious to me and it immediately makes me dislike them. Shogun is also a christian the same as Jon Jones so yea it has nothing to do with someones religion.

My statement was half joking at first. I admit it was a stupid statement that doesn't really warrant any further discussion IMO.

I understand why people are Jon Jones fans.

Did everyone just completely miss this post?

It was a stupid half joking comment that doesn't deserve to be clogging up this thread for 2 pages.

03-01-2011 , 08:28 PM

#46

KneeCo

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Originally Posted by Charles Bukowski

It was a stupid half joking comment that doesn't deserve to be clogging up this thread for 2 pages.

Yea, but that's true of everything you post.

03-01-2011 , 08:33 PM

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Charles Bukowski

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Yea, but that's true of everything you post.

For instance? Sounds like a bitter baseless post because you disagree with my predictions/thoughts.

I can agree the Jones comment was a stupid one posted at 1:30am or W/E.

Can't really remember any other comments I made that were stupid. You agreeing with =/=stupid.

03-01-2011 , 08:35 PM

#48

KneeCo

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Nothing, just messing with you for the lolz.

03-01-2011 , 08:45 PM

#49

Charles Bukowski

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Nothing, just messing with you for the lolz.

lol well played.

03-01-2011 , 09:45 PM

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Assani Fisher

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Originally Posted by pokeriseasy

Lol, don't let that 1 interview fool you. Even Sonnen came off extremely humble and likeable immediately after his fight with Silva.

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Originally Posted by Joss

Exactly. Bisping has a long history of being a douchebag.

You missed my point.....and your Sonnen point only further proves it! I could tell from that one interview that Bisping is a much better guy than someone like Albert Haynesworth could ever hope to be. I don't deny that perhaps Bisping is one of the lowest class MMA guys(I don't know enough to debate it with you)....what I'm saying is that its quite telling that one of the lower class MMA guys still can come across as incredibly humble, sincere, and well spoken in an interview.

I'm not sure if most of you guys are fans of other sports or not, but as someone who is just getting into MMA, one of the very first two things I noticed were that:

1. MMA athletes are incredibly humble, well spoken, etc. compared to other sports.

2. MMA fans seem to reach for reasons to dislike guys more than any other sports fans

Guys in other sports are getting accused of rape, quit on their teams in extremely obvious ways(Rip Hamilton this year, Albert Haynesworth this year, etc.), are incredibly dirty, and so on. But then in MMA people don't like a guy because hes a tad bit religious or something(and its not just CB, I've seen plenty of Jon Jones hate on various message boards). I dunno, it just seems kinda silly to me, but I guess if you'd rather exaggerate reasons to dislike someone so that you'll have a rooting interest then thats your choice. Personally I'd rather just avoid that and enjoy the fights.

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