never mind, wasnt a fanpost, was actual news:

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2010/8/8/...analysis-chael

interesting counter-point. My first thought is that this may very well be true right now, but as MMA evolves and when 20 years from now every fighter is a much more complete fighter than the fighter's of today it may not be true anymore. Let me think it over a bit more though.....

yea, pretty tough to disagree with his points

Nothing is based off of one fight. Henderson also took down Silva in round 1 before he tried to outstrike him in round 2. Those are really the only wrestlers Silva has faced in his career. Wrestling/TDD is the weakest part of Silva's game. That doesn't mean it's horrible, but he's always going to be susceptible to being taken down by elite wrestlers (most fighters are if they aren't elite wrestlers themselves).

The problem is people think quickness is enough to avoid takedowns which is just outright wrong. I didn't expect Sonnen to take him down that easily, and maybe it will be more difficult next time, but this isn't the type of thing that's going to change from fight to fight.

The problem with your NFL example is a ton of factors play into that, while I'm zeroing in on one thing in an MMA fight. It would be like a tackle getting destroyed by a D end one game then completely controlling him in the next, you just aren't going to see those extremes.

Really? That was like the only thing I was ever told to buy other then a GI. Also I remember Rogan talking about some kid who used to come to 10th Planet and never wear a cup and was told to over and over and supposedly got hit so hard by a knee rolling that he ended up losing a nut. Who knows if thats true though.

Do you wear a mouth guard? I actually haven't been rolling with one, but then again most my rolling has been off the knees, and only one class I started on the feet but still I should probably get one.

As far as other equipment, there is only one No Gi night a week at my place so I just wear a T shirt and some decent tapout shorts...which are the only piece of MMA apparel I own other then a Fedor shirt haha. I also only bought them cause they had Canadian flags on them...

wtf mikey buy a cup asap.

Yeah rolling without a cup seems crazy. And caught, I wear a mouth guard when rolling. Also definately recommend a long sleeve rash guard for No Gi night.

hmm, I was drunk when I wrote that post (3am), but I'm pretty sure I was talking about Chael's ability to promote a fight and not his actual fighting skills.

Maia vs Miranda

Does Maia really need a paycheque or what? Even Maia/Harris makes more sense to me. I really don't get why this match was made except that Maia is ready and Belcher was injured.

for all the BJJ guys out there, what is the injury rate for accidentally snapping a bone before someone taps? I'm legitimately interested in trying it out, but I'm kinda a big pussy when it comes to injuries(I'm perfectly fine with fighting through injuries and continuing to train, but I'm just really squeamish when imagining myself being put into a hold that could snap a bone if I don't tap quick enough)

well, yeah, it was just a last minute sub since Belcher is out. And Maia still wants to get paid. That's all it is imo.

If the sub is locked in tap, if its not tight then you try to get out.

The only time i was ever close to getting injured was just last week when someone did a sub id never seen and i screamed TAP TAP TAP right after cause the pain came really fast.

Basically guy was in side control on my left side, he moved across to mount but i bucked at the same time and somehow he just ended up in a mounted triangle. he rolled me to his guard to finish, i was fighting it off by not allowing my left arm to come across his body. all of a sudden one hand goes to my elbow, the other goes to my wrist and he starts bending it like a keylock. pain was really brutal and quick and my shoulder/arm both hurt for a while afterwards. if i had let it go maybe 1 second longer i would have probably been injured.


Heelhooks go from 0 to 60 really fast. be careful with those, but nobody should be doing those to you until youre a higher belt.


Besides leglocks and that weird triangle keylock thing, the only other sub i know of that escalates really fast and can leave a broken limb is this armbar counter to a can opener

say you have closed guard on bottom and a guy tries to can opener you to open up your guard. grab his right elbow with your right hand, his left elbow with your left hand, both above his arms looking kinda like youre hugging his arms to you. put both feet on his shoulders and elevate your hips. this sub ****in kills and when we practice it every so often you have to verbally submit very quickly or your arm is gonna get ****ed. just dont do can openers vs anyone who knows what theyre doing lol

I messed around on the ground with my trainer in my gym the other day.. basically at the end of our workout (basic type of punching/kicking/wrestling type stuff) he said lets see what 3min round feels like.. he would basically come at me and let it start with front head lock or even a choke then get to the ground and I would basically try and figure out how to play defense and he would essentially transition from sub to sub..

Just from this, my throat, elbow and shoulder were sore the next day.. not sure if I'm a big p-ssy or it's just how it is when you first get put in to positions like that. But it made me think how friggin painful and sore your joints/bones are post a real match.

Daut - how long have you been doing BJJ?

i started 2 years ago, but i travel so much its hard to keep up. id say ive probably put in about 8 months over those 2 years with 16 months of breaks. sucks cause i basically havent improved in a year. in fact im definitely worse than i was last october.

Been doing BJJ for a few years and I've never actually seen any broken bones in training. It's got a weird duality to it. If you're new or unskilled it'll be tough for you to even know how to break anyones bones and if you're experienced you know when to stop applying pressure even if a guy is ******ed and doesn't tap. Most people are very aware that injuries are possible and thus pretty careful. No one wants to injure anyone else.

I've seen broken bones in competitions though for sure...tournaments are brutal.

Also alot of people don't wear cups or mouthguards, not really a huge deal imo though I think both are good investments.

Any sort of injury I've seen in a gym is a result of some sort of scramble or a slip or something. Bone breaks would be extremely difficult with submissions anyway. You're more likely to **** up your ligaments.

I don't wear a mouthguard either. I played goalkeeper (football) in junior high and high school and never wore a cup for that either. I wore a mouthguard when I played indoor when I was 13 or 14, but never after that.

Basically, I'm tougher than all of you. Also, some tournaments (like the Chicago Open I will be competing in in two weeks!) don't allow cups.

I don't wear a cup. And in 1.8 years, I've haven't been hit in the sack yet. *knocks on wood*

I do wear a mouth guard.

I've cracked/seperated a rib, which was a month and a half off. Also herniated a disc, which was surgery and 3 months off.

Had a classmate break an ankle once. Landed funny doing some take down drilling.

Sorry, I forgot to mention that I do have a mouth guard. I also have wrist wraps.


Yeah, it's not that common for my nuts to get hurt with grappling, although it does happen, but I spar and train standup too. Better to be safe than sorry!


UnderArmour type shirts?


A mouth guard is pretty important, regardless of where you start. It's easy to hit your teeth together and chip something.


How is that relevant with regards to training? It's not going to hinder your development as a grappler and wearing a cup is still a great safety measure to take. The only negative grappling advantage I could see in training is that you can use it for leverage on armbars, but you'd still be learning the move properly regardless. Keep us updated when you take a knee to the nuts, Mikey.

some of us have balls and need to protect them. or maybe his are just the size of grapes

but wtf at tournaments not allowing cups. thats pretty insane to me, ive def been kneed in the balls when people try to pass and its not exactly a ****in picnic

I dont wear a cup and I get hit in the sack all the time. I started to get used to it

You can ride your opponents back and cause pain, as well as use the cup as an extra leverage point for armbars.

From Shooto - Daisuke Hoshino KOs Kunio Nakajima from the bottom with right hook.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1rbs...ature=youtu.be

WTF... Glass Jaw?

Mikey--this you?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a86cQobU-n4

Sorry if you've seen it before. Sorry if you haven't...

One of my favorite quotes: "No cup no nothing bro. It's just straight up nuts"

This is an awful matchup for Kenny unless Maynard is as scared to take the fight to the ground as he was against Diaz. I doubt he will be, I think he learned from that fight and realizes his standup is nowhere near good enough to trade with Kenny, he'll outwrestle and beatup Kenny on the ground for a UD. I don't see Kenny being very succesful stuffing Maynard's takedowns.