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10-20-2013 , 04:22 PM
Did anybody watch the Amagov KO live?

Apparently TJ was out for 10+ mins and had to be stretchered out of the cage.
10-20-2013 , 04:41 PM
Yeah, I saw it and was really scared. He was laying in the same position for minutes after, really sketch. It reminded me of Jardine being out for like 5 minutes after Wandy crushed him.
10-20-2013 , 07:10 PM
damn just saw the card...

so sick
10-20-2013 , 10:03 PM
Cigano gave an interview to the brazilian press and said he doesn't remember most of the fight. he thought he was KO'd on the 2nd round. He also doesn't remember talking to Joe in the end of the fight.
10-20-2013 , 10:05 PM
if any two fights could give a fighter permanent brain damage... JDS' last two...
10-20-2013 , 10:59 PM
the hw division kind of got a lot less interesting. was hoping jds would win just so that they could do a 4th.

cain doesn't really have any legit threats. he's going to murder werdum standing.
10-21-2013 , 01:23 AM
Eventually, Jones is a big threat at HW, as soon as maybe two years. Barnett will be a fun fight. Barnett demolished Mir, something Cormier couldn't do. Yes, Cormier beat Barnett, but that was with a severely fractured hand that he injured in the 1st! Also, Barnett doesn't do that ******ed Anderson **** where he drops his hands that Cigano has been doing too. In 10 years, we will look back at Anderson's clowning and laugh just like the boxing fans laugh at Anderson now. Browne will be a challenge. I kind of don't think Browne has "the right stuff", but he is a big kid who can take a punch and does have knockout power. It does suck there is no one on the horizon who is a possible challenger 2-3 years out.
Also, it would be amazing to see Overeem fight Cain. Everyone hates him, but Overeem looked good against good fighters even in his last two losses. It just sucks to see him do ******ed **** and lose to inferior fighters when you know Cain will punish any mistake. Overeem's takedown defense is ****ing amazing. To see his TDD, rewatch his fight with Brock who took Cain down when he wanted to, but couldn't keep him down.
10-21-2013 , 01:32 AM
After seeing cain demolish, Brock really was underrated after his last losses. Too bad he didn't start like 5 years before he djd
10-21-2013 , 02:13 AM
Couldn't edit, but there are a couple of Russian Bellator fighters to look for in the HW division. Volkov and Minakov. Check out the jab on Minakov:

They will have to keep developing to have a chance vs high level opposition though.
10-21-2013 , 04:45 AM
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Originally Posted by El Diablo
All,

I don't think I'll ever get tired of Dana/Joe/Goldie hyperbole.

What a great card and fights for sure, but so amazing that that card was:
PERHAPS THE BEST UFC PPV OF ALL TIME
FEATURING THE GREATEST FIGHT IN UFC HISTORY
AND THE GREATEST RIVALRY/TRILOGY IN UFC HISTORY
AMAZING!!!!!!!!

Edit: And yeah, most of my 2p2 posting is from my phone.
We used to play a drinking game where you had to take a shot every time Joe Rogan said "one of the"

but we stopped when two kids died of alcohol poisoning 40 minutes in to the card.
10-21-2013 , 06:08 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MadScientist
Eventually, Jones is a big threat at HW, as soon as maybe two years. Barnett will be a fun fight. Barnett demolished Mir, something Cormier couldn't do. Yes, Cormier beat Barnett, but that was with a severely fractured hand that he injured in the 1st! Also, Barnett doesn't do that ******ed Anderson **** where he drops his hands that Cigano has been doing too. In 10 years, we will look back at Anderson's clowning and laugh just like the boxing fans laugh at Anderson now. Browne will be a challenge. I kind of don't think Browne has "the right stuff", but he is a big kid who can take a punch and does have knockout power. It does suck there is no one on the horizon who is a possible challenger 2-3 years out.
Also, it would be amazing to see Overeem fight Cain. Everyone hates him, but Overeem looked good against good fighters even in his last two losses. It just sucks to see him do ******ed **** and lose to inferior fighters when you know Cain will punish any mistake. Overeem's takedown defense is ****ing amazing. To see his TDD, rewatch his fight with Brock who took Cain down when he wanted to, but couldn't keep him down.
Anderson's clowning is only laughable when he doesn't counter off it (or lean way back with his feat square). It's also better from a defensive standpoint to slip a blow than block it. Hands up or down is not the problem, especially in mma where boxing is not the strong suit and it's pretty easy to get caught with your hands up, but a lot more difficult to stop a td.

Last edited by Double_A; 10-21-2013 at 06:14 AM.
10-21-2013 , 02:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MadScientist
Eventually, Jones is a big threat at HW, as soon as maybe two years. Barnett will be a fun fight. Barnett demolished Mir, something Cormier couldn't do. Yes, Cormier beat Barnett, but that was with a severely fractured hand that he injured in the 1st! Also, Barnett doesn't do that ******ed Anderson **** where he drops his hands that Cigano has been doing too. In 10 years, we will look back at Anderson's clowning and laugh just like the boxing fans laugh at Anderson now. Browne will be a challenge. I kind of don't think Browne has "the right stuff", but he is a big kid who can take a punch and does have knockout power. It does suck there is no one on the horizon who is a possible challenger 2-3 years out.
Also, it would be amazing to see Overeem fight Cain. Everyone hates him, but Overeem looked good against good fighters even in his last two losses. It just sucks to see him do ******ed **** and lose to inferior fighters when you know Cain will punish any mistake. Overeem's takedown defense is ****ing amazing. To see his TDD, rewatch his fight with Brock who took Cain down when he wanted to, but couldn't keep him down.
Much of the hand dropping is to prevent takedowns. It is not all for show. Many fighters are using this tactic now. The Aussie striker Whitaker comes to mind.
10-21-2013 , 03:32 PM
Overeems mma tdd, wrestling, mobility, power, and general physicality are all among the best on the planet

People seem to forget this guys insane physical dominance. Watch his career. He doesn't get thrown, he doesnt get held, he's never been overpowered. Ask Werdum, the only man to ever submit him

Too bad hes been Kod on and off for 10 years. Gotta hurt your fight IQ. I don't have high expectations anymore sadly, but I think he can finish anyone r1-2

I feel like people heavily underrate Werdum. You guys realize that since the Cigano KO he has 1 loss in 5 years, a decision to Overeem who was t5? He finished Kyle, beat Bigfoot at his own game, ended Fedor's 10 year win streak with the greatest sub upset ever when he was #1 HW and p4p, and then is given Nelson and Russow lol, annihilates both, and submits Big Nog! This guy is one of the greatest heavyweight fighters ever. I think him vs Cain is an awesome fight
10-21-2013 , 04:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MadScientist
Eventually, Jones is a big threat at HW, as soon as maybe two years. Barnett will be a fun fight. Barnett demolished Mir, something Cormier couldn't do. Yes, Cormier beat Barnett, but that was with a severely fractured hand that he injured in the 1st! Also, Barnett doesn't do that ******ed Anderson **** where he drops his hands that Cigano has been doing too. In 10 years, we will look back at Anderson's clowning and laugh just like the boxing fans laugh at Anderson now. Browne will be a challenge. I kind of don't think Browne has "the right stuff", but he is a big kid who can take a punch and does have knockout power. It does suck there is no one on the horizon who is a possible challenger 2-3 years out.
Also, it would be amazing to see Overeem fight Cain. Everyone hates him, but Overeem looked good against good fighters even in his last two losses. It just sucks to see him do ******ed **** and lose to inferior fighters when you know Cain will punish any mistake. Overeem's takedown defense is ****ing amazing. To see his TDD, rewatch his fight with Brock who took Cain down when he wanted to, but couldn't keep him down.
I'll believe jones is moving up when i see it. he said he was going to soon like right after he won the title, but recently said he's a long way away from moving up.

every champ talks about moving up and none of them have done it other than Silva and that was against hand picked opponents who weren't that good.

Aldo seems like the most likely, but Dana apparently won't let him move up without giving up his belt which he obviously doesn't want to do.
10-21-2013 , 07:10 PM
BTW of all the awesome things that happened on that card, this was the biggest one for me for some reason. Goosebumps yo.

10-21-2013 , 07:20 PM
Yea that was pretty gangster of Cain to come out and meet JDS for JDS standard prefight charade.
10-21-2013 , 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by MadScientist
Couldn't edit, but there are a couple of Russian Bellator fighters to look for in the HW division. Volkov and Minakov. Check out the jab on Minakov:

They will have to keep developing to have a chance vs high level opposition though.
Not a bad vid, his opponent kinda moved all his weight into it was pretty well timed or lucky his opponent started a charge mid jab, but I wasn't too impressed overall. 9-0 verse 2-0
10-21-2013 , 10:47 PM
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Originally Posted by StimAbuser
I'll believe jones is moving up when i see it. he said he was going to soon like right after he won the title, but recently said he's a long way away from moving up.

every champ talks about moving up and none of them have done it other than Silva and that was against hand picked opponents who weren't that good.

Aldo seems like the most likely, but Dana apparently won't let him move up without giving up his belt which he obviously doesn't want to do.
This is spot on. There's just too much money to be made staying in a cleaned out division. I'm pretty sure most of that talk is just to placate fans and occasionally a fighter really wanting to but getting talked down by his managers and coaches.

On another note, I feel like rock'em sock'em robot fights are overrated. Diego and Melendez obviously put on a hell of a match and showed a lot of balls and determination, which is no doubt entertaining, but it's really not that different from some previous fights and shouldn't beat out Gus/Jones for FOTY.

Watching a fight thinking Holy crap, Jones is getting out boxed and out wrestled was a unique experience. Given that the fight was extremely close almost the entire way and showcased some outstanding technical skill makes that by far the most memorable fight for me so far this year.
10-21-2013 , 11:12 PM
bermudez vs grice is easily foty.

Jones vs Gus was great and a super shocker, but there weren't many big moments in it other than Jones spinning elbow + flurry in the 4th. I might be really biased with this one though because I knew the results before I watched it.

if you haven't seen bermudez vs grice watch it. very sick.
10-21-2013 , 11:32 PM
10-21-2013 , 11:35 PM
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Originally Posted by DC11GTR
And it has come full circle
10-21-2013 , 11:41 PM
I thought Melendez fought pretty well and wasn't getting hit that much in those wild exchanges. Diego missed 80% of the time and was getting crushed by Gilbert. He fought a smart fight and was accurate.

Dodson was crazy accurate as well. Him saying he wants to be champ at 3 weight classes was a big ? for me.

The Russian guy looked amazing. I love the Russians, they hit in the clinch and throw from the clinch differently than almost all other fighters.
10-22-2013 , 04:56 AM
Yeah, Melendez vs Sanchez was obviously very good as far as rock'em sock'em goes, but I'm a bit surprised by the FOTY talk.
10-22-2013 , 05:06 AM
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Originally Posted by DC11GTR
What in the ****ing ****? How does that even work?
10-22-2013 , 05:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Kirbynator
What in the ****ing ****? How does that even work?
Chael is going to have Seal Team 6 with him, so no big deal.

      
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