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02-20-2013 , 06:14 PM

#476

Benholio

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Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 8,292

The races should be fun even if you just jump in and start hacking away - just don't expect to be competitive. With some practice you should be able to start reaching the levels required to get reward points and score yourself some of the season rewards.

Race strategy spoilers - don't click if you want to just jump in and figure things out:

Spoiler:

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02-20-2013 , 06:22 PM

#477

Mt.FishNoob

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I haven't looked too much into race strat but my plan would be to get poison arrow and just go and kill brutuus straight away- maybe run ledge again depending on my level. Whirling blades to get to merril unharmed and poison arrow her with a cold resist gear change. I tihnk I can do this pretty quick but i'm a bit stuck on what to do in act 2 once I'm about level 26

I would also buy a coral ring with my 3 starting wisdom scrolls and transmute it asap

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02-20-2013 , 08:07 PM

#478

MediaPA

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Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 2,725

I just can't get behind 2:1 alchemy:chaos as people state. If I can't get alchemy, I typically don't do the trade. However, I don't know why I really care. I haven't found myself trading for gear and I don't expect to ever have a high level character since I'm bad.

My EV shadow is almost 48 (10 passives to spend) and struggling a bit more than expected on the waterfall caves. Spending the points would help, but I'm not sure what direction I want to go.

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02-21-2013 , 12:04 AM

#479

Count Chocula

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Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 19,345

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Originally Posted by Mt.FishNoob

Scour is .5 or .6 alch
alch:regret is 3:2 or 4:3

Alch to chaos I really don't understand how to price but I just go with the 2:1 which appears standard.

I already explained why, but this doesn't make any sense.

Chaos should be equivalent value to alch+scour. If alch is 0.5 chaos, and scour is 0.5 alch, then alch + scour = 0.75 chaos. At that point, everyone would just convert their chaos to alchs and scourings since chaos would be overvalued.

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02-21-2013 , 10:06 AM

#480

Mt.FishNoob

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I don't understand it. I don't think that chaos should be worth 2 alch but that is just how it seems to be.

I think it's hard to figure out becuase to to buy a scouring you need 4 fusing or 4 chance. And an alch is probably worth ~ 4 chance.

You can get alchs more easily than scourings.

A scour must be worth like .9 alch- except it's not.

SOooo confusing. It's probably bad to use the vendor system as a reference in some of the ratios as the vendor makes profit.

A chaos also gains value because it is harder to get an equal amount of alchs: scour. Generally one has more alchs than scours. IMO a chaos should be like 1.8 alchs making the scour worth .8

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02-21-2013 , 11:33 AM

#481

zaephyr

old hand

Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 1,781

Sry to go offtopic but are summoned skeletons+spell totem imba?

Just went from "every single bird puts me below 50%" in ship graveyard on HC merciless to easily clearing from there to merveil without any deeper scratch.

I only have minion instability from minion pasives (used zombies from begining) and bought skeletons after getting in trouble (they are lvl 7 now).

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02-21-2013 , 12:20 PM

#482

Mt.FishNoob

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Yh it is pretty imba. One of my 'partners' uses it with searing touch fireballs behind.

I am only at ledge in HC merciless right now. Are the rhoas alot tougher in ship graveyard than the ones in fetid pool? I had a really close shave in fetid with them bloody rhoas. I'm kind of worried about flickers aswell.

My tactic is to fire a +2 posion arrow, throw a fire trap, vulnerability curse the monsters and plant a rejuv totem. Most things die in about a 1.5 seconds without even using my 1500dps dual strike. I have very high life regen and life leech so can tank quite well. But the Rhoas do so much damage and often it's buggy.

Replacing the rejuv totem with a skelly totem might be an improvement.

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02-21-2013 , 12:39 PM

#483

furyshade

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I love me some ARPG, after the train wreck that was D3 I started up Torchlight 2, how does this match up with those? Is itemization/build development good late game? Does it get repetitive later on (got so sick of act 1 on D3 that I just couldn't get myself to load the game anymore)? Do we know if characters get carried over from open beta to full release or will everything reset?

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02-21-2013 , 01:21 PM

#484

zaephyr

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Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 1,781

Well fetid pool is lvl 58 while graveyard is lvl 55 zone. Tried fetid pool after brutus and ran out so i didnt clear it yet, same with graveyard cave (lvl 59 zone).

as far as poe vs d3 goes:
Diablo has better hitboxes, its basically a bit more fluid in combat, especially for melee classes.

Currency sistem/itemization/skill system are all imo much better, then theres this huge passive skill tree which is quite scary in the beginning.

As far as end game goes im not there yet, but heres a link that describse it a little
Endgame Maps

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02-21-2013 , 02:15 PM

#485

Count Chocula

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Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 19,345

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Originally Posted by Mt.FishNoob

I don't understand it. I don't think that chaos should be worth 2 alch but that is just how it seems to be.

I think it's hard to figure out becuase to to buy a scouring you need 4 fusing or 4 chance. And an alch is probably worth ~ 4 chance.

You can get alchs more easily than scourings.

A scour must be worth like .9 alch- except it's not.

SOooo confusing. It's probably bad to use the vendor system as a reference in some of the ratios as the vendor makes profit.

A chaos also gains value because it is harder to get an equal amount of alchs: scour. Generally one has more alchs than scours. IMO a chaos should be like 1.8 alchs making the scour worth .8

Vendor rates provide a floor or ceiling only.

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02-21-2013 , 06:42 PM

#486

Benholio

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Lost my level 66 HC ranger to some elemental damage reflect mobs. I recently upgraded my bow and got a 5-link chest - drastically increasing my DPS. Too strong for my own good.

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02-21-2013 , 07:04 PM

#487

Mt.FishNoob

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Do the mobs reflect 100% damage?

I poison arrow **** with my main so not so worried there but my ranger has a very powerful single target burning arrow, pretty sure she would 2 shot herself if it is 100%. I suppose flame totem won't kill her.

I suppose it's super bad if you have multi proj and chain as you will hit yourself so many times.

RIP

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02-21-2013 , 07:08 PM

#488

Count Chocula

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I think it's 20% reflect.

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02-21-2013 , 07:27 PM

#489

IchoiBoy

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Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,060

If using lightning arrow, life on hit support gem is pretty necessary to avoid killing yourself on reflect packs.

edit: not that I know what benholio was using...

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02-21-2013 , 09:53 PM

#490

Cotton Hill

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The first team race is Saturday at noon (US Eastern time), a 3 hour race. Anyone wanna team up?

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02-22-2013 , 01:04 AM

#491

Benholio

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Originally Posted by IchoiBoy

If using lightning arrow, life on hit support gem is pretty necessary to avoid killing yourself on reflect packs.

edit: not that I know what benholio was using...

Totally was lightning arrow.

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02-22-2013 , 02:41 AM

#492

Cotton Hill

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I'm just trying to get as many Chaos and GCP's as possible, those seem to be the two base currencies that most things measured and moved in. There are lower and higher currencies, but the lower are too low for anyone to really want to trade anything good for and the higher are usually more valuable than whatever is being traded.

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02-22-2013 , 05:03 AM

#493

Count Chocula

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3 hour races are a bit too long for me on most days. I'm going to try to do as many 1 hour solos as I can though.

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02-22-2013 , 10:23 AM

#494

IchoiBoy

adept

Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,060

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Originally Posted by Cotton Hill

(hardcore rates)

Ya it's a good idea when trading with people to ask them how they value alch:chaos:gcp:exalted (if applicable)

alch is better than 2 for 1 chaos, so if they said 2:1 alch to chaos, don't offer alchs, offer chaos.

2.5 chaos is worse than 1 gcp, so if they say 2.5:1 chaos for gcp, offer in chaos

3 chaos is better than 1 gcp, so if they say 3:1 chaos for gcp, offer in gcp

Exalt is better than 12 chaos, so if they say 1 exalt for 12 chaos, offer in chaos

etc...

If you have lots of currency you can gain in trades just by offering the right type.

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02-22-2013 , 11:54 AM

#495

konar

grinder

Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 516

Anyone have a good one hour race build/strategy(I guess there's not much of a build in one hour)? I main EK, which would be horrible for a 1 hour race obv.

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02-22-2013 , 02:09 PM

#496

Cotton Hill

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I died twice early being reckless, at level 3 and then 2, then I had a guy get to 10.5 pretty easy in the 45 minutes I had left. Points start at 11.... sigh... should have just played slow and steady for points the whole time.

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02-22-2013 , 04:23 PM

#497

Slick Strawberry

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Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 349

The main OP spells for 1 hour races are poison arrow and freezing pulse. For longer races it's still poison arrow btw, rangers are going to dominate.

Some powergamers were actually thinking about rolling a ranger for a 3h race, getting poison arrow and trading it to themselves on a newly rolled marauder to get in the top marauders or something as they're terribly slow with their quest reward gems.

And an actual zone/level progression for races has been posted above in a spoiler somewhere which seemed pretty solid imo.

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02-22-2013 , 05:35 PM

#498

IchoiBoy

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Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,060

I'm not much of a racer

Got 13 on a duelist playing dual wield cleave/dual strike

edit: found a gcp and a fusing during the race though

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02-22-2013 , 07:39 PM

#499

Cotton Hill

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Yeah I found an orb of chaos, luckily on my guy that didn't die. I just stashed it. I'm not much of a hardcore player. Anything hardcore I find that's valuable I'll probably trade for softcore currency. I get the feeling 1 hardcore chaos has gotta be worth at least 3-5 softcore ones? Is there a standard hardcore to softcore currency conversion ratio people follow?

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02-22-2013 , 09:43 PM

#500

Mt.FishNoob

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Wondertrapping cruel ledge with 500hp and 480 ES

Suddenly 'Poodah has commited suicide'. I ahve full ES but my life is gone and I went from 30% hp to 0 just like that.

Very bizaree way to lose a HC character. She had 2 uniques and a +35% rarity amulet aswell as others. SOOOOO TILTING

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