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09-05-2009 , 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by FenderJaguar
that card ass-rapes (if I can say that) storm, most famously mind's desire.
This card is pretty much nuts. If your opponent somehow cascades into 3 spells, this gets them all. It's also a hard counter for 4 at worst. It's probably on about the power level of Dissipate, which saw a fair amount of play.
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09-05-2009 , 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by flytrap
This card is pretty much nuts. If your opponent somehow cascades into 3 spells, this gets them all. It's also a hard counter for 4 at worst. It's probably on about the power level of Dissipate, which saw a fair amount of play.
Uh its a lot better.

Its going to played a ton in T1 IMO.
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09-05-2009 , 01:50 PM
So lets say I cast 3 Lightning Bolts, my opponent plays that. Are all 3 countered or just the last one?

Wow@those 3 cheap Vampires. I wonder if Bad Moon will be reprinted. Does black have any mana exceleration without Dark Ritual now?
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09-05-2009 , 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by 4 High
So lets say I cast 3 Lightning Bolts, my opponent plays that. Are all 3 countered or just the last one?

Wow@those 3 cheap Vampires. I wonder if Bad Moon will be reprinted. Does black have any mana exceleration without Dark Ritual now?
Only the last 1 is countered because the first 2 already resolved.

People were talking about countering a cascade chain, like enlisted wum > bituminous blast > terminate, then all 3 are still on the stack when you play the trap.
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09-05-2009 , 01:57 PM
Def wouldn't cancel all 3 if you let each resolve before playing the next. If you stacked them then it would work.
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09-05-2009 , 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by ImsaKidd
Does exile a spell mean counter it and exile it? I assume it does, but never seen that wording before.
No. The spells will get exiled before they resolve, so they never resolve, but they don't actually get countered (i.e. they don't trigger Guile). It is similar to what Time Stop does.

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Originally Posted by 4 High
So lets say I cast 3 Lightning Bolts, my opponent plays that. Are all 3 countered or just the last one?
Depends if you play good or play bad. If you put all three on the stack at the same time (i.e. play them in response to each other), then he can counter all three. If you play one, let it resolve, and then play the next one, there's only one on the stack at any given time for him to counter.
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09-05-2009 , 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Kevin8423
Def wouldn't cancel all 3 if you let each resolve before playing the next. If you stacked them then it would work.
but people are gonna be more careful about lettings spells stack unnecessarily with that around...
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09-05-2009 , 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Freakin
but people are gonna be more careful about lettings spells stack unnecessarily with that around...
no one ever stacks spells unless they have a good reason.
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09-05-2009 , 05:30 PM
was conflicted with what to play in this gr deck last night.



oblitered guy in r1 w/ oakenformed unicorn + others, got bashed by mono-white in r2 (industructable baneslayer ftw...).
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09-05-2009 , 05:35 PM
I guess oakenform is okay since you have unicorns and firststrike guys, I have a general distaste for enchantments I guess.

Lightning elemental seems like pooballs, play emerald oryx instead maybe?
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09-05-2009 , 05:37 PM
-1mountain, -rampant growth +ignite disorder +oakenform main deck

just go balls to the wall
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09-05-2009 , 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by ImsaKidd
I guess oakenform is okay since you have unicorns and firststrike guys, I have a general distaste for enchantments I guess.

Lightning elemental seems like pooballs, play emerald oryx instead maybe?
lightning elemental and oakenform are much better with 2 unicorns
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09-05-2009 , 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by rubbrband
-1mountain, -rampant growth +ignite disorder +oakenform main deck

just go balls to the wall
i like this. i was considering dropping land cause of 2x llanowar & BOP but thought i'd player 'safer'.

I know ignite disorder is maindeck playable but I wasn't sure what to pull.

I guess with all my 3drops I'd usually be ok with less land.

Oh, and I run worse at Efreet than I do at poker. Lost 3/4 destructions... only thing I owned that Efreet DIDN'T kill was itself!
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09-05-2009 , 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by rubbrband
lightning elemental and oakenform are much better with 2 unicorns
that was my thought. I could potentially lightning elem & giant growth it and swing for 7 damage he didn't see coming and (possibly) couldn't prevent.
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09-05-2009 , 05:52 PM
as built you have 21 mana producers an no real way of taking advantage of large amounts of mana so cutting the rampant growth was a no brainer considering you already have tons of mana acceleration.
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09-05-2009 , 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Freakin
that was my thought. I could potentially lightning elem & giant growth it and swing for 7 damage he didn't see coming and (possibly) couldn't prevent.
i was mainly saying the unicorn makes the light. elm. better, but you can use the enchantment to get it through in certain situations too i guess.

oaken form is unbelievably strong on the unicorn. esp with mana acceleration. if they can't kill it that's p much gg.
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09-05-2009 , 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by rubbrband
i was mainly saying the unicorn makes the light. elm. better, but you can use the enchantment to get it through in certain situations too i guess.

oaken form is unbelievably strong on the unicorn. esp with mana acceleration. if they can't kill it that's p much gg.
r1g2 the guy tried to play a royal assassin when I had my unicorn out... maybe he was hoping it didn't have sickness or something (hint: it did).

My gameplan was oaked spearhunters & unicorns ftw.

Against the mono white he basically broke my whole came when he got his pikemaster out (and I had nothing w/ firststrike). his 5-6 soldiers all had firststrike and he was holding a verdict & righteousness just in case.

managed to get oakenform + unicorn + flail out in a game earlier this week. Opponent wasn't too happy.

Flail, cloak & magebane are all pretty strong cards in this format, imo. Shatter really isn't maindeckable unless you pass several artifacts & naturalize probably isn't either. Unless you counter equipment or play an acidic slime you have problems.
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09-05-2009 , 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Freakin
was conflicted with what to play in this gr deck last night.



oblitered guy in r1 w/ oakenformed unicorn + others, got bashed by mono-white in r2 (industructable baneslayer ftw...).
go go go cappy!

cut a land for regenerate and rampant growth for rune claw bear. I really like a regenerate in your deck, people will double block your cloaked guy, or try to burn it, it saves your druid from a removal spell, it saves cappy or your unicorn, regen recluse. like your deck is perfect to run the 1x regenerate. a third oakenform is ok but I think regenerate gives you some flexibility. obv play the runeclaw bear
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09-05-2009 , 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by FenderJaguar
go go go cappy!

cut a land for regenerate and rampant growth for rune claw bear. I really like a regenerate in your deck, people will double block your cloaked guy, or try to burn it, it saves your druid from a removal spell, it saves cappy or your unicorn, regen recluse. like your deck is perfect to run the 1x regenerate. a third oakenform is ok but I think regenerate gives you some flexibility. obv play the runeclaw bear
Please tell me this whole post is a level.
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09-05-2009 , 08:23 PM
regeneration prob isn't that bad to sb in vs certain decks. the runeclaw bear on the other hand is pretty bad. i don't like him that much to begin with but you have two elves and bird to help you get 3 drops out turn 2 plus you already have plenty of 2 drops
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09-05-2009 , 08:27 PM


Any changes I should make to the main deck?
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09-05-2009 , 08:34 PM
looks pretty good. i might try to get that flash freeze in there esp with 2 looters.
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09-05-2009 , 08:37 PM
Looks perfect
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09-05-2009 , 11:33 PM
lol get ready for the joy of $30 fetchlands for extended season

extended would be better off without them, but printing them will sell a ****ton of zendikar
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09-05-2009 , 11:42 PM
Where do you see anything on fetch lands in Zendikar?
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