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I've been playing Boros for a while and I'm pretty happy with it. I would say it's a slight dog to Valakut, but it rapes CawBlade. I feel good about most other matchups too. The only bad match up is against the new UB infect deck. I'm not sure what to do about that. Even a maindeck SoFaF won't be a huge help. I've added 3 Tumble Magnets main deck, which I love. I'm considering going up to 4 even.

My tech for this match-up that I played in Dallas and have used successfully on MTGO is Gideon Jura out of the sideboard. It prevents their Crusaders from being effective blockers, and prevents them from racing you since you force them to attack it. I only had 2, so I needed a little bit of luck to race it. I also added a maindeck SoFaF to help, and help it does-you need to outright race them and SoFaF lets you do that unimpeded.

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04-12-2011 , 04:03 PM

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ya kind of sucks that it hoses all planeswalkers

Yes but what planeswalkers don't need is an easy way to shut down your opponent's planeswalkers without hurting your own.

Originally I thought it should be land but at least as an artifact you get a chance to counter it/blow it up.

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04-12-2011 , 04:04 PM

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They should print a ridiculous hoser like Teferi's Response in red or something. If a planeswalker's ability would be activated, counter it and destroy the planeswalker. Draw two cards.

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04-12-2011 , 04:06 PM

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I'd like it if instead of "Planeswalker" it said "Jace, TMS"

Then (random planeswalker here) would be just as annoying.

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04-12-2011 , 04:08 PM

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They should print a ridiculous hoser like Teferi's Response in red or something. If a planeswalker's ability would be activated, counter it and destroy the planeswalker. Draw two cards.

But then it's red and you just have one color having one answer like black with the hexmages.

Originally I thought of a Suileman's Legacy type effect (When it comes into play, destroy planeswalkers, when a planeswalker comes into play, destroy it) but it seems reasonable to allow players to play planeswalkers to allow them to be ready if they do blow up the artifact.

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04-12-2011 , 04:10 PM

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Maybe make it red/Phyrexian or something of the sort.

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04-12-2011 , 04:11 PM

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kurosh: Have you considered Perilous Myr? Between Mortarpod, (possibly) Perilous Myr, and a SoFaF, you should be ok. I like klinkman's Gideon suggestion as well, it's great against CawBlade (more as Seal of Gideon than anything else) and assorted aggro decks

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04-12-2011 , 04:24 PM

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Then (random planeswalker here) would be just as annoying.

OK, like WHAT THE **** ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? None of the planeswalkers are close to as good as Jace. Fact.

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04-12-2011 , 04:47 PM

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OK, like WHAT THE **** ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? None of the planeswalkers are close to as good as Jace. Fact.

Until Jace is gone
Or until they print another one who's better
Or until the format shifts a little
Or, or or or

You guys are so worried about the format RIGHT NOW you're not even thinking about the future. The fact is that all planeswalkers require immediate response. Sure, Venser might not be a powerhouse, but if you don't answer him, you lose. Putting out a card that deals with Jace only is super shortsighted.

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04-12-2011 , 04:51 PM

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The problem with Jace is that Brainstorm is a card.

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I am not sure what you mean by that but Jace is not broken in Legacy.

What I mean is that Brainstorm, while being amazing, isn't card advantage. You're using a card to get that extra card. So while there's a ton of great tricks that you can do with it (Storm/Fetch being the most obvious), you're still not gaining cards.

The problem with Jace (And new Tezz to a smaller extent) is that not only do you get all those awesome tricks, but you're ALSO getting extra cards (the 2nd turn, as the first turn they just replaced themselves). So every turn that Jace stays active, the more cards you're getting and the farther away you get from "It's just brainstorm!"

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04-12-2011 , 04:58 PM

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What I mean is that Brainstorm, while being amazing, isn't card advantage.

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04-12-2011 , 05:02 PM

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I like how you ignore the next sentence, which talks about fetch lands as being good combo (BUT STILL NOT CARD ADVANTAGE!). Squadron Hawk combos with JACE but not BRAINSTORM, because you can't rely on having brainstorm every turn like you do with Jace.

Neat pics, though.

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04-12-2011 , 05:04 PM

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I enjoy poking fun in your very bad analogies and misunderstanding of intermediate concepts of the game. I am not interested in a long debate where you won't admit you have no idea what you are talking about and instead point to your local metagame as proof that your arguments are good.

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04-12-2011 , 05:05 PM

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I accept your concession.

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04-12-2011 , 06:02 PM

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I'm confused are you both saying that Jace produces some kind of virtual card advantage the longer he's on board with his combo birds? seems like you guys agree

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04-12-2011 , 06:12 PM

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I'm confused are you both saying that Jace produces some kind of virtual card advantage the longer he's on board with his combo birds? seems like you guys agree

Yeah but he can't resist putting me down, even when he's agreeing with me and doesn't realize it. He just saw one line and decided to jump on it by being snarky.

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04-12-2011 , 06:55 PM

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I certainly "can resist" putting you down. I just find it humorous that you speak so authoritatively about a game you do not understand and use your credentials as a store owner and FNM tournament judge to counter this fact.

Additionally, the pure statement "Brainstorm is not card advantage" is incorrect for any number of reasons. Whether or not it is attached to Jace.

Continue on. I'm sure Trinket Maging up Brittle Effigies is definitely the way to combat things in standard. We definitely saw a lot of that in the Top X of the GP. Or local SCGs.

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04-12-2011 , 07:06 PM

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Go ahead and list those reasons, I'll be waiting.

Perhaps you're mistaking card advantage for card quality?

No way you read about Magic the Gathering Pro Tours!

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04-12-2011 , 07:06 PM

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They need this so badly.

1 - Artifact

Planeswalker abilities may not be activated.

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Additionally, the pure statement "Brainstorm is not card advantage" is incorrect for any number of reasons

um no brainstorm the card isn't card advantage by definintion, this isn't even an argument.

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04-12-2011 , 07:07 PM

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If you define card advantage as X > Y, you are correct. Also an idiot.

Continue your spirited debates.

ETA: I believe that you believe that you are right about a great many things. This is why a discussion is a giant waste of everyone's time. If you get to define what concept X is, of course your answer will be right. So congratulations. Well played.

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04-12-2011 , 07:44 PM

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Anyone who says Brainstorm is not card advantage does not play Legacy. It is the best card in the format and when played correctly is a slightly worse Ancestral Recall.

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04-12-2011 , 07:57 PM

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If you get to define what concept X is, of course your answer will be right. So congratulations. Well played.

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04-12-2011 , 08:51 PM

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So anyone want to help out a noob?

Oyeah Yugioh has best defined card advantage imo (b/c the whole game is based on it or atleast was for a long while), read some Matt Peddle articles; hes very good at explaining it