Primeval Titan is very expensive. I found out first hand when I had to buy 3 on Ebay last week. And I agree that planeswalkers have a mythic feel. But they are still tournament staples, which WOTC said wouldn't be mythic. A standard card that is $100 is ridiculous.

garruck/ajani is beyond sick in legacy, it just hasn't caught on yet in paper

I dunno if it's legal to advertise on here, but if you guys are ever looking for paper cards at decent prices, shoot me a PM. I hate how much ebay rapes you on the fees so I don't use it, but I would be happy to service the Magic playing 2+2ers (And I accept FT or AP $!) PS just kicked me off this week, but that's a whole different thread

very dynamic set. very fun for limited.

yeah no clue how I forgot about Primeval titan, its clearly a huge player right now

Nothing in my account as yet, thought it would be after the update but no such luck. I checked before lunch but nothing there. Got a work tournament tonight so will check after I get back from that.

I hope its a unique prize - a Black lotus or something (obv not legal for legacy)

They said not all tournament staples would be mythic. Some obv will be.

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Like all of them.

I mean, they didnt do stuff like make the dual lands mythics.

Off the top of my head, fauna shaman, noble hierarch, ratchet bomb, etc.

If you counted the number of mythic rares vs normal rares in a deck its probably about even?

Regardless of that, I agree that the mythic scheme is stupid.

I guess the problem is the format defining cards

Jace
Primeval Titan
Koth
Vengevine


are all mythic, alara block was fine and if every block was that way no one would bitch, as Elspeth was the only chase mythic and didn't jump above 30 until after Jace 2.0 was printed

there are some benefits lands like Raging Ravine are like $3 instead of 10+, the fetchlands are 8-10 instead of 20, basically manabases are cheaper but the spells cost a ****ton more if you want a good deck

even mono-red got expensive lol

Not to mention with the hard-on they have for dual lands in every set, that would almost fill the mythic spots if they were to go that way.

It's really frustrating to build somebody a deck, and then watch them slowly change and morph it into something truly god-awful.

/work rank

I dislike the inception of mythic rares as well, but it seems like people slowly start to exaggerate the problem once they begin discussing it. Again, I think it's a problem, but I want to play devil's advocate just a bit to try to keep the best perspective on it.

First thought: although inflation hasn't completely blown up prices in the last 10-15 years, it shouldn't be ignored, either. Comparing what decks "used to cost" to what decks cost now isn't completely accurate, since things get more expensive. Compare the cost of a gallon of milk, or a gallon of gas, or...to maybe best help our perspective...the price of MtG packs over time. Revised in 1994 had a retail price of $2.45, 2011 core set retail price is $3.99. That's a jump of more than 60%, so a rare costing, say, $15 back then would be $24 now.

9th edition was only $3.29, which means a 20% jump in the last 5 years. (so, approx 20% every 5 years). A $20 in 2005 would be equivalent to $24 now. Once you talk in terms of playsets, or whole decks, the 20% jump (or whatever time you compare now to) certainly adds up in $.

Second thought: most mythics don't even hit $20, let alone near the price of jace. I just did a search on cardkingdom for mythics, and out of 130 different mythics, only 13 were >$20. 10% of them. Think of how many rares are now less expensive because of mythics, and compare that to a mere 10% of mythics going higher than even just $20.

The last thought to challenge opponents of mythics (which includes me): even though extremely expensive cards (e.g. Jace, Elspeth, Primeval) keep lower budget players from playing top decks, could they really have played anything tier 1 if mythics didn't exist? I mean, sure...spending $200-$300 on one playset is ridiculous, but if the top prices were magically still around $10-$20 in 2010, many tier 1 decks would have 5+ playsets of top cards (expensive spells, expensive lands, etc), putting the price of top decks well over $200-$300+.

Also, if mythics drive down the price of rare spells & rare lands, perhaps some tier 1-1.5 decks can actually border on "affordable". Can I make an expensive Jund deck? Sure. But I can also make choices that still keep it competitive and perhaps cheaper than T1-T1.5 decks of the past, accounting for inflation.

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All this said, I think the main reason I dislike mythics is that while you can skip them in some decks, they are central to so many t1 decks that you pretty much have to run them to use those decks. So you're either choosing from a small handful of cheap or less competitive & cheap decks, or you are choosing a MUCH less competitive version of the expensive decks. And as previously mentioned, for dealers like Tom there's even less incentive to crack packs & have singles for sale, which is sad (and bad for him). boo.

edit: in 2020, packs will retail for about $5.75. Yikes.

you can still buy booster packs for $2.49

Yeah really the only places who get retail are the big chains like Wal-Mart.

Just as I'm sure you could have purchased packs for lower than retail in 1995, 2000, 2005, etc.

way to miss the point...I almost said something about how "I know you can get them for less than retail", but I thought it unnecessary...

If skullclamp was a mythic when it was released, how much would it cost?

Probably at least $60, right? It was played in even more decks than Jace.

I bet so...that also makes me wonder if it would have taken any longer to get restricted/banned, too, with a shorter supply. Hmm, or maybe that would have accentuated the problem of a broken card.

Bloodbraid would have been Jace level prices at mythic

How would it have accentuated it if people didnt have it?

something ridiulous is "balanced" by everyone having access to said card

like every deck ran 4 jitte to kill other jittes, if somehow jitte is 100$ standard soon becomes unplayable for some

Since it would be just as broken at any rareness...but might seem more unfair due to the short supply & large cost with a mythic rarity...I think there would be more outcry against it from casual players since they can't get and use playsets as easily.

if mythics are such a barrier why is magic so popular nowadays? Is it mostly just people playing limited or is constructed attendance up too?

Magic attendance is at an all-time high at all levels of the game. Grand Prix attendance is nuts, PTQ #s are stronger then they've been in years and local tourny attendance has been very solid.

Mythics have hardly killed the game.

Standard is only a small part of the game, and the most affected by mythics.

Mythics don't affect extended/legacy/vintage nearly as much in terms of deck costs.