Ok.

1. never said.pipe/force stuff was btr than.jango. we r talking about dota 2. No jango yet.

2. a good chen will destroy teams yes.


3. i never said anything about scepter.

4. i also said.you could "throw in" a force staff.

5. basic core items for chen is meka arcanes and pipe. in 20 minutes that should be up


Up to the chen player where he wants to go with his build. i am not a good.chen.playrr.myself. but some players in my team no how to chen and it wins games in pubs and scrims. chen is always that 6th sort of ban you think about if you know they play chen. if the other team doesnt know your team roll with a chen. id put evety cent on my team winning the game because they.wont be.prepared for it.

1. Jango is in the game btw. Like I said I was referring to this comment of the person stating that vlads / force is better than jango. That is why I said that you can not follow the same build every game yet you took offense to me telling you how to "play the game".

2. Any hero played by a good player will win any game. However it is more unlikely for a hero that is not a carry to carry a pub game. Unless they execute the ganks extremely well supports very rarely carry. On top of that good chen play is very rare. It is not easy to micro 4 different units effectively. It is extremely easy to bait a chen stun from a centaur from both good and bad players if there is no initial stun.

3. Like 1, I was referring to the user talking about his build. My point was his build is pretty expensive although doable in some games. I was simply implying that once again, you may want to change up your build depending on the flow of the game. You respond with "Lolwut. pubs are full.of terrible players. any decent chen player will farm neuts gank the solo lane and push. the supports deward and ward. A good chen in a.pub will win the game for his team.

Also, plz dont try and tell.me what dota is and how to play. "

4. I agree force staff is a great item on basically every hero.

5. No you should not be able to have those items up by 20 mins. That is about 7500g. That is basically equivalent to a 20min VG + Rad. If you have that kind of farm it is basically a complete stomp in that pub game. In which case I commend you for that exceptional farm.

Chen has fallen out of flavor in the competitive scene (regular dota). I have barely seen any teams recently play it if anyone. I do not even recall anyone banning them besides against Na'vi which is a complete respect ban. Also, the ban for Na'vi isn't because of the creeps but because of how good they are at saving heroes in team fights with the port. It basically makes a 1 for 1 trade a 1 for 0 for them. I have never seen any player outside of a Na'vi chen player save people like them.

that 20 was ment to be a 30.

I havnt called it a jango ever. i call it drums. so i thought u were meaning aomething else in original dota. i havnt payed it in ocer 6 months.

ys drums is fine. but meka arcanes and pipe is so much more tue team than just drums. it also depends on wuat you are running. if fullout pushing. drums yes. if yiu have.more team fight orientated. pipe mek arcanes is sooooo muxh better.

Really? there are alot more teams that use chen. SK N9 mtw gdt. the retry.

Don't know much about n9 mtw or gdt. Are they strictly dota2? I havn't really followed any competitive dota2 stuff since the international tourney and some of "The Defense" i think it's called. Most people who play the regular dota strictly call it Jango but yea the name isn't ported exactly.

I agree that meka arcane and pipe are generally good items on chen but it always depends. First off between a chen, wr, lich, OD, or pugna who should make the mek? It is quite possible that two of those heroes are on the same team which instantly makes mek on Chen debatable.

Also I have seen a lot of pro games without a pipe on a team, but in situations when they do a DK sometimes is the carrier despite being the carry. The support players do not always have to make the mek or pipe. A lot of heroes are starting to make Jangos in the chinese scene. Just for example some heroes such as Panda, CK, or Invoker use it as their core despite being semi-carrys.

Some teams even do a double jango on the same team despite the aura not stacking. The MS bonus provided by Jango is not something to belittle.

Just wanna chime in and say Force Staff is one of the most fun items to use. I'm finally starting to use it and loving it so far. Love saving teammates with it.

Protip: a ward can be placed in the radiant jungle outside the bottom pull camp such that both it and another radiant neutral camp do not spawn creeps. Very effective if you are on dire and facing an enigma/axe/anyone who would be jungling there. Also just a nice bonus since most people ward the pull camps anyways, might as well take out 2 camps with 1 ward.

does this game run on Mac yet?

Oh man. That's amazing. Going to try that in pubs now.

That ward spot is referred to as the "Magic Bush" spot because in dota 1 there was a bush in that location where if you drop the ward right on top of it you get the double block. If you move it a little too far from the bush however you will mess the blocks up. I believe now the ward spot is a small plant.

The one downfall about that ward spot is that it is very obvious where that ward is because it will only work properly in that one spot. Normally this isn't a big deal but a single sentry ward may be able to counter ward both that spot and the rune spot above depending on the location of the rune ward.

Jango/Drums is one of the most cost efficient items around and the buildup is so damn easy especially since lots of support chars get bracers early on anyways for the extra HP.

1750 for +9 all stats, +9 damage, move speed aura, attack speed aura, charges that gives you more aoe move speed and attack speed.

consider an ultimate orb which is just +10 all stats is 2100.

For all the noobs like me who didn't know, here is the recipe for Jango/Drums:

Bracer - 510
Robe of Magi - 450
Recipe - 750

Total - 1725

I had no idea the build-up was this easy. Actually I've never bought this item, luls.

No one just buys an ultimate orb though. it turns into 2 of the biggest items in.competitive play. manta and sheepstick.

Dts is back. they pick up the retry and virgoss is there star signing. virgoss with pgg is going to be fun.

Yes as i've said multiple times, Jango is a great item. It has a very nice build up and provides a lot for the cost. I think jango, mek, and force might be the best items in the game.

I think there are two dts teams now? I think there is a DTS and the retry is still "the retry" but maybe i am wrong. Vigoss is so bad now. I dont think I have seen a game recently where he has played "well". He mainly just ganks poorly and feeds now.

Dts gaming picked them up. thinkyy ou are right though. artstyle plays/d for dts i thought

Saw this screenshot on reddit



Look at who's playing with the pros... OMGClayAiken

Is Phil Galfond playing DotA 2 with the pros? (forgot his 2p2 name)

That's pretty cool if it is him.

6.73 patch was imported to dota2. Graphics seem a bit different. SB and Silencer also added.

Tranquil boots are gooooood. So cheap.

N9 smashing NaVi was sooooooo goood.

NaVi vs Fnatic is on atm. Be a good game since Fnatic are really stomping every team atm, while NaVi are still in a slump.

nah that isn't clay, you can change ur steam name to whatever u want. You can have people with duplicate names in the same game etc.

I signed up to the beta invite list through steam a while ago but still cant seem to get a key. Are there any other places to try and get one??

Minimap looks a lot better