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08-12-2015 , 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Dutch101
Did our search ran for a long time because this clan is just unlikely to find a fair matchup so eventually they get matched with a close enough clan that also has been searching for a while.

Their bottom 6 TH10's have no maxed DE troops except hogs so they are unlikely to 3 star our TH9's so the war will get decided the same way as most times which is the amount of stars in the top 5.
Why do people think search time has anything to do with matchmaking??
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08-12-2015 , 01:41 PM
Of course it does. Search parameters widen when it is longer.

Few times we were matched with clans 2 lvls lower, search time was much longer.

I just assume that it would be how it works.
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08-12-2015 , 02:21 PM


new base design found it on the internet, thoughts?

also is there anyway to attack a specific person? I wanna attack my friends base to be a dick but I don't think it's possible
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08-12-2015 , 02:22 PM
also I have never joined a clan or done a war idk anything about it anyone wanna gimme the dummy rundown
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08-12-2015 , 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Richard Parker
Of course it does. Search parameters widen when it is longer.

Few times we were matched with clans 2 lvls lower, search time was much longer.

I just assume that it would be how it works.
That's nothing but a rig theory put forth by riggies looking for justification for crappy matchmaking. SC's faq doesn't mention it nor have they ever posted anything regarding the issue.
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08-12-2015 , 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by JamesGreen


new base design found it on the internet, thoughts?

also is there anyway to attack a specific person? I wanna attack my friends base to be a dick but I don't think it's possible
You cannot single out an opponent to attack unless you are revenging someone that has already attacked you. That is of course if that person is not "online" or "currently has a shield"
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08-12-2015 , 03:05 PM
CC in the middle is wasted space if you have never been in a clan.
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08-12-2015 , 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by MarkoPolo
That's nothing but a rig theory put forth by riggies looking for justification for crappy matchmaking. SC's faq doesn't mention it nor have they ever posted anything regarding the issue.
SC also never said anything about having bunch of defenseless accounts will basically give you more attacks than your opponents.

So you think matchmaking has a set of search parameters and if others clans don't qualify, it just waits until a clan that does qualify is searching?

Does it not make more logical sense that the parameters expand when it reaches certain period rather than waiting?
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08-12-2015 , 03:11 PM
RP attacked me once. How did that go RP? hehehaha
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08-12-2015 , 03:12 PM
Let's just call that part of the Dark Ages.
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08-12-2015 , 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Richard Parker
CC in the middle is wasted space if you have never been in a clan.
yeah but I'm thinking +ev to change that?
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08-12-2015 , 03:19 PM
You might as well put it in the corner to avoid 100% until you find a clan.
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08-12-2015 , 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by MarkoPolo
That's nothing but a rig theory put forth by riggies looking for justification for crappy matchmaking. SC's faq doesn't mention it nor have they ever posted anything regarding the issue.
SC hasn't mentioned it (at least I've not seen it anywhere), but I think we'd all agree there's a bunch of stuff that goes on in this game they haven't explained.

FWIW, my clan of IRL friends used to let war search run FOREVER. We'd get crappy matchups every time. Soon as we switched to restarting war search after 10-15 mins we found closer matches and better wars.

This wasn't a hardcore clan mind you. Most of the clan was casual. And we mostly did 15v15. But it seemed to work for us.
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08-12-2015 , 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Richard Parker
SC also never said anything about having bunch of defenseless accounts will basically give you more attacks than your opponents.

So you think matchmaking has a set of search parameters and if others clans don't qualify, it just waits until a clan that does qualify is searching?

Does it not make more logical sense that the parameters expand when it reaches certain period rather than waiting?
I don't think it makes any sense to have a search mechanic that can be easily exploited.

And please save the arguments that involve a relatively tiny sample size.

We've had war searches take an hour or more and got generally fair match ups.
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08-12-2015 , 03:48 PM
How can it be easily exploited?

Keep refreshing every 20 minutes so you can find a clan close to you?

Alternative is obviously out of your control, so where can it be exploited?
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08-12-2015 , 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Richard Parker
How can it be easily exploited?

Keep refreshing every 20 minutes so you can find a clan close to you?

Alternative is obviously out of your control, so where can it be exploited?
Starting and stoping to force a good matchup would be exploiting the mechanic you describe.

Bottom line sc has a relatively wide set of matchup standards. That's it, you get some good match ups and some bad and lots of relatively fair ones.

As it turns out the clan with twice the th10s as us, is horrible at the game. So it's a mismatch alright, just not in their favor.
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08-12-2015 , 04:06 PM
Why would it be good or bad to want to be matched up against similarly strength clan?

If anything, that's how every matchup should be.

So refreshing search wouldn't be an exploit...

Are you arguing for the sake of argument? That's my arena, you know?
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08-12-2015 , 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Richard Parker
Why would it be good or bad to want to be matched up against similarly strength clan?

If anything, that's how every matchup should be.

So refreshing search wouldn't be an exploit...

Are you arguing for the sake of argument? That's my arena, you know?
Well, it's an exploit if you're using super secret knowledge that's not out there for everyone to consider, right?

Actually I'm not arguing at all, because your rig theory is ******ed and not based in any fact. Get back to me when SC confirms.

And trying to back an argument by getting me to agree that something makes sense is beyond ******ed.
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08-12-2015 , 04:30 PM
Lol, ok.

You are a snappy one, aren't ya?
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08-12-2015 , 04:47 PM
Come on. There are essentially two ways of doing search.

First is where you have a set of parameters and then it becomes a waiting game until another clan meets the parameters.

Second is where you have an expanding set of parameters that adjust based on length of time of search.

Using the first method, a clan could potentially be searching forever if parameters are too strict.

SC wants these wars to take place, and it doesn't make sense for war matching to take too long to do so.

Logically, expanding parameters makes sense. But I guess some people can't accept anything unless authority puts it in writing.
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08-12-2015 , 04:49 PM
Ya and there's no way to exploit this as when you wait longer it could just as easily be super easy, rather than tough.
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08-12-2015 , 04:54 PM
We can sit here and argue how SC might design its search algorithm, and I actually think it would be an interesting argument.

However, I think it is pretty safe to think that an expanding method makes most sense.
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08-12-2015 , 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by GooseHinson
Ya and there's no way to exploit this as when you wait longer it could just as easily be super easy, rather than tough.
Still creating a mismatch and if your goal is getting a fair match you'd be stupid not to keep restarting.

It's funny though no one ever mentions all the unbalanced match ups that happen in very short clan searches, which we've had plenty of.
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08-12-2015 , 05:01 PM
It would be stupid and not doing it because it's pain in the ass are not the same thing.

I looked at your current matchup. It isn't unbalanced. The other clan rushed TH to add infernos, but they got jack everything else.
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08-12-2015 , 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Richard Parker
Come on. There are essentially two ways of doing search.

First is where you have a set of parameters and then it becomes a waiting game until another clan meets the parameters.

Second is where you have an expanding set of parameters that adjust based on length of time of search.

Using the first method, a clan could potentially be searching forever if parameters are too strict.

SC wants these wars to take place, and it doesn't make sense for war matching to take too long to do so.

Logically, expanding parameters makes sense. But I guess some people can't accept anything unless authority puts it in writing.
I can't disagree more....creating an environment where you get a large amount of mismatches is horrible for their gaming environment.
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