I really hope BF3 is amazing and i can get into it but the problem i had with BC2 is the maps are a lot bigger and you have no idea what is going on most of the time, they give you these objectives but no tutorial on how to play them. No one in your team works together and there isnt even guides on the classes and what you should be doing as each class. With CoD its easy, you just shoot the most people and you win. Of course with BF3 i will probably try harder to get good at it but im not sure that i will spend more time playing it than i will MW3 as im used to that and already decent at it.

Ok you just made my point and scotch's much easier about the complexity of the BF series vs. COD. You shoulda posted this three days ago

One thing I will say about BC2 (And i'm sure it will be similar to this for BF3) is that it's virtually horrible to play alone. If you don't have at least one (or two) friends in your squad it's just not a fun experience. If you have a full squad it's pretty great.

+1 to the WTF feeling. I played 50 hours of BC2 with no mic and no idea what the hell I was doing. Once I got a mic and someone explained certain things to me I loved it.

No offence, but if you REALLY took 50 hours to figure it out, you probably need a helmet when going out of the house. Obv this only applies if we aren't talking about advanced tactics which aren't explained in tutorials anyway. But it really takes a session to figure out you have to blow up the freaking bombs / deplete the enemy tickets.

I have no trouble believing someone takes a few days to figure things out, but if after that time you haven't used google or read an FAQ, things don't look too bright for your gaming future.

On one point I fully agree tho: BF feels crappy without someone to play with. On the other hand, I don't play COD alone either, so I have the same feeling about that game.

You mean commander mode of BF2 or BF2142? I don't really think that worked out so well. I personally hated it.

Sadly they're removing the commander role from BF3, which is pretty much exactly as you describe.

They are? That sucks. For pubbing, I know it could be a PITA for some random just doing whatever in the role, but for clan matches it adds a great dynamic.

Disclaimer: I'm in a relatively large BC2 clan eagerly awaiting BF3.

Thanks for the vote of confidence. A clarification: Despite watching youtube videos of things like Battlefield for noobs I didn't understand numerous nuances of the game until I got a headset (PS3 player) which was around 50 hours in. That's when people started saying "oh you can use the tank to do this, oh fly the chopper in a circle, not straight, etc." A lot of the noob videos didn't help nearly as much as talking to people and like he pointed out you have no tutorials in the game at all. Most of the learn BF videos were things like "if you're an assault throw down ammo." Yeah I got that figured out.

And FWIW I'm not really a gaming dumbass as I've been playing them for over 20 years. It was my first BF game though and it was quite a bit different at least for me than something like COD was. You're also underestimating the amount of potential strategy even in something like BC2. The maps are fairly large and the potential for different routes, different use of vehicles, etc is quite large. Which is why I pointed out I was learning new things even after a hundred hours with the game.

****ing choppers. I never understood how to fly those ****ing things.

Ya the choppers took me forever to get good at flying them. I always loved it when I think it was Italian would fly and Id use the gun and rape face with it.

I never knew how to shoot the guns so I would just fly.

But a long time ago I saw a show on the military channel, I think, and it showed how to shoot a gun while flying in a helicopter. I've always wanted to try it and see if it worked in BC2, but I never ended up playing the game again.

awesome

Well so far it's looking like a great game, however it has some serious problems.
First of all the 3d spotting mechanic which they first implemented in bfbc2 is destroying the gameplay, turning it into a prone and camp fest at least on the metro map.
Yes they will have some sort of hardmode like bfbc2 but not everyone likes being shot in the finger by a sniper from the other side of the map and dying, even though I play recon in bfbc2 and profit immensely from this.
I'm not going to go on about how bad 3d spotting is for the game or fps in general as I will just bore you.
Another problem I see is that bf2/bf2142 had 6 man squads with up too 64 players, on the pc this game should have 6 man squads as most servers will have between 32 and 64 players.
It would be nice if commorose was added, even if it was optional.
The health regen is ott atm, it should take several minutes to regen health, not several seconds.
I'm liking the weapon handling so far and this is one area they are actively tweaking so I expect this to be very good.
I thought cod4 was the best of that series so far and bf2142 was far better than that, bf3 is definitely going to be better than mw3.
Still though the destruction and physics isn't on the same level of crysis but it's not fair to compare single player crysis to multiplayer bf3, crysis multiplayer was an abomination.

All these things can change by retail and a lot certainly will change, in fact this game will change a lot from retail till the first few patches and content upgrades are added in.

I think this is going to be a really good game, and in 6 months time any discerning gamer who compares the two is overwhelmingly going to say bf3 is better than mw3.

Oh here is a look at battlefields 10 year history with some bf3 footage.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vj1udWJ1_mc

epic video

Man did I love 2142...

Never got to play 2142 unfortunately, I must go and look up some footage.

Can't wait for BF3. Y_D will you be getting it on the pc or ps3? I'd be tempted to build a new pc for this and skyrim.

I must start playing bc2 again, I haven't touched it in months.

I'll be getting it for the PC, bought a new rig especially for it If the 2p2 community is alive, I might get the new COD for the PS3 a month or two after release.

If you need help with your build, shoot me a PM, I'll be glad to give you a few tips. I did way too much research when I bought my stuff, but I wanted the best I could get on a semi-tight budget ( 800€, but I already had a good monitor and two HDDs ). I managed to paste something together that runs all current games on max at 1680x1050.

Says the guy who's already made up his mind without playing either

Ya, it's still waaaay too early to tell. We have one map from BF3 and zero from MW3.

just reinstalled to for the first time since '08


http://img851.imageshack.us/img851/8742/bf2142.jpg xD



I've played bf3, thought that was obv, cod 4 was the best of the series, every cod since has just copied that, if you think something different or ground breaking or special is going to happen with mw3, it ain't, they are going to roll out the same game with a different plot and different maps.
Nothing fundamental or ground breaking is going to happen and why should it, they will sell millions.

It's cool that you played BF3 and are able to provide unique insight. You are clearly an authority on BF3 at the moment.

But don't act like that gives you any ability to draw definite conclusions about a game you have never played, using nothing more than past experiences (from a former developer). You lose credibility.

How many times can this argument be shot down before people keep bringing it up?

mw2 was waaayyyy different than cod 4.

mw3 will be more of a copy cat of cod 4, and that's a good thing. The idea is to refine the game to a point where the peak amount of gamers are satisfied with the product. The game is good enough without anything ground breaking being needed for many people to enjoy it more than BF. You just like the BF series better, which is fine.

Making comments like "anyone with half a brain will be able to tell that bf3 is the better game hurrr durrr" doesn't get us anywhere (except finding out that you aren't very bright, perhaps).

A war FPS that has large, sprawling maps with essentially infinitely many paths through the map and points of contention with many players and a wide variety of vehicles to use and ways to play has just so much more potential than one with small maps with a few chokes and small teams and no vehicles to use. The latter is much more easy to do well, but it's so limited in playability and frankly I'm done playing games like it. People know that BF3 has aspirations to make a great game like the former, and could be a bit of a groundbreaker in the FPS genre. MW3? It's going to be the same small, bland maps that really aren't that fun to play on and the same recycled gameplay. Yeah, it has the potential to be a good game but I'm personally not interested in playing anything resembling a previous COD game.

This is all based on my video game preferences, of course, with which some may not agree.

I'm interested in seeing what happens but I think all MW3 is going to do is make everyone recognize how good the old IW really was. None of the COD's that weren't made by them have been very good.

**** Skyrim and BF3 come out within 2 weeks of each other, don't have enough video game time for both of them

If it weren't for the fact the IW lost what, 60 employees?