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WTSD & WSD & WWSF? WTSD & WSD & WWSF?

03-23-2024 , 07:37 PM
Fish question here:

Started reviewing my stats in PT4 and started wondering what WTSD & WSD & WWSF mean & what values are considered good? I guess WTSD is went to showdown but I have no clue about the rest.

My stats:

WTSD: 29.68
WSD: 60.0
WWSF: 47.37

Would love an explanation and critique if my stats are good
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03-23-2024 , 08:40 PM
wtsd like 29-33 ish, 33 and above is high, 29 and down is low

wsd like 50-55 ish, below 50 is low, 55 and up is high

wwsf for winning players is typically 48+, often best winners 50+

these are just ranges/approximations. You'll find winners outside of these ranges.
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03-24-2024 , 11:59 AM
A low value (27-) WTSD says that you tend to overfold, and a high value (33+) tends to overcall.

A low WWSF (45%-) says that you tend to underbluff, and a high (50+) tends to overbluff.

WSD is evaluated together with WTSD and WWSF. It should usually be in the range of 50-55%.

Your high WSD says that you run well and you had a lot of strong hands at the showdown.

Examples of combined evaluation of these three states:

If you see an opponent with WTSD 25 / WWSF 42 / WSD 55, then this is a passive, straightforward player who rarely bluffs, or does not bluff at all.
You shouldn't bluffcatch against such players.

An opponent with WTSD 28 / WWSF 49 / WSD 48 plays aggressively and bluffs a lot.
Against such a player, I would consider bluffcatching.
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03-24-2024 , 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by slyless
A low value (27-) WTSD says that you tend to overfold, and a high value (33+) tends to overcall.

A low WWSF (45%-) says that you tend to underbluff, and a high (50+) tends to overbluff.

WSD is evaluated together with WTSD and WWSF. It should usually be in the range of 50-55%.

Your high WSD says that you run well and you had a lot of strong hands at the showdown.

Examples of combined evaluation of these three states:

If you see an opponent with WTSD 25 / WWSF 42 / WSD 55, then this is a passive, straightforward player who rarely bluffs, or does not bluff at all.
You shouldn't bluffcatch against such players.

An opponent with WTSD 28 / WWSF 49 / WSD 48 plays aggressively and bluffs a lot.
Against such a player, I would consider bluffcatching.
Good explanation ty
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03-25-2024 , 03:29 AM
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Originally Posted by slyless
A low value (27-) WTSD says that you tend to overfold, and a high value (33+) tends to overcall.

A low WWSF (45%-) says that you tend to underbluff, and a high (50+) tends to overbluff.

WSD is evaluated together with WTSD and WWSF. It should usually be in the range of 50-55%.

Your high WSD says that you run well and you had a lot of strong hands at the showdown.

Examples of combined evaluation of these three states:

If you see an opponent with WTSD 25 / WWSF 42 / WSD 55, then this is a passive, straightforward player who rarely bluffs, or does not bluff at all.
You shouldn't bluffcatch against such players.

An opponent with WTSD 28 / WWSF 49 / WSD 48 plays aggressively and bluffs a lot.
Against such a player, I would consider bluffcatching.
My values are:
WWSF: 52.4%
WTSD: 33.9
WSD: 45.4

This is from a 30k hand sample on GGPoker, mainly NL5 and NL10. Using your description of the stats I would be overcalling and overbluffing, and that sounds about right. I have a positive red line and a negative blue line. In the last 7k or so hands I've tried to fold more and the red line has evened out and the blue line started to increase.

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03-25-2024 , 06:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Dante Alighieri
My values are:
WWSF: 52.4%
WTSD: 33.9
WSD: 45.4

This is from a 30k hand sample on GGPoker, mainly NL5 and NL10. Using your description of the stats I would be overcalling and overbluffing, and that sounds about right. I have a positive red line and a negative blue line. In the last 7k or so hands I've tried to fold more and the red line has evened out and the blue line started to increase.

In this scenario, a high WTSD percentage might also suggest that opponents are adapting to your aggressive tendencies by attempting to bluffcatch you more frequently.
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03-25-2024 , 06:29 AM
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Originally Posted by slyless
In this scenario, a high WTSD percentage might also suggest that opponents are adapting to your aggressive tendencies by attempting to bluffcatch you more frequently.
That could of course also be true. Especially since I am playing reg tables.
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