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09-24-2010 , 03:20 PM

dstazy100

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Been playing with the villian for like 300 hands 1 tabling so I know quite a bit about him. He doesn't seem too bluffy. Hes deff a fish but seems to know the game semi ok. If you need anymore reads I can try to give them.

He was playing 44/24 with a 16% three bet

Pretty much just need advice on the whole HH. I want to see how others would play this hand.

Last edited by dstazy100; 09-24-2010 at 03:23 PM. Reason: dont know where hh converter is

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09-24-2010 , 03:24 PM

jiggybluff

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The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

Hero (BTN/SB): $603.00
BB: $1452.00

Pre Flop: ($9.00) Hero is BTN/SB with A

Hero raises to $18, BB calls $12

Flop: ($36.00) Q

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $24.00, BB calls $24

Turn: ($84.00) J

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $60.00, BB calls $60

River: ($204.00) A

(2 players)
BB bets $12.00, Hero raises to $186, BB raises to $1350

Final Pot: $576.00

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09-24-2010 , 03:24 PM

dstazy100

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ty for the converter jiggy

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09-24-2010 , 03:28 PM

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Seems like a pretty easy fold. I don't expect him to be making a move here really ever because there is no reason we cant be nutted here. Bottom of calling range is probably 5x though I'm not thrilled about it

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09-24-2010 , 03:30 PM

salsathekid

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Mehh I can't ever really fold here for 100BBs but I expect to see a 5X hand here alot and wouldn't be blown away to see him have K10 here.

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09-24-2010 , 03:31 PM

entrncdrnr

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Why cant you fold?

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09-24-2010 , 03:32 PM

TooCuriousso1

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i think theres almost no chance he is doing this with worse for value and almost no chance he gets this creative as a bluff. i mean u can absolutely have a ton of huge hands here, why would he expect u to fold to a river 3bet in this spot when uve shown nothing but strength? sucks but would muck tbh.

oh and i think u played every street correctly.

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09-24-2010 , 03:32 PM

salsathekid

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Cuz I am a fish ldo. I just mean it's hard to fold and a weird line but I agree it's likely a fold.

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09-24-2010 , 03:33 PM

MasterLJ

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I think the most interesting decision in the hand is the raise sizing on the river.

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09-24-2010 , 03:34 PM

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TooCuriousso1

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Originally Posted by MasterLJ

I think the most interesting decision in the hand is the raise sizing on the river.

in my experience they are either betting small with the intention of calling or folding regardless of sizing so make it big imo. i mean unless op knows something specific about this guys baby river donking and w/e

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09-24-2010 , 03:40 PM

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MasterLJ

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That doesn't really help. What hands can he have? What will he call with? How often does he have those?

I think if you bet here with very clear intention of folding (which I think is best) it gives you the freedom to design a nearly perfectly sized value raise, but I think there's a lot of debate in what that could be.

The more I look at this hand the more I think a raise to like $98 is best.

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09-24-2010 , 03:51 PM

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TooCuriousso1

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Originally Posted by MasterLJ

What hands can he have? What will he call with? How often does he have those?

then why not flat?

obv were raising b/c we think we get called by worse enough to make it good. unless we make it like 50, in my exp, there is no diff btw $98 and close to pot.

im not sure why that isnt an extremely important thing?

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09-24-2010 , 03:54 PM

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AcTiOnJaCsOn

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certainly fold

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09-24-2010 , 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by TooCuriousso1

He has some Qx, Ax,QJ,KQ etc... and those would be the hands we'd want to raise against. But we can only raise if we can consistently get a call from those hands, otherwise flatting would be better. He obviously can't have that many 5's, and KT would be somewhat plausible but not there in full combos.

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09-24-2010 , 04:12 PM

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TooCuriousso1

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yeah i understand that...

but u said what i wrote doesn't really help. but it does help if it happened to be true. see we just disagree that his calling range on the river is static. u think there is a difference in the % of hands he calls with when we make it 98$ as opposed to 186$. i dont.

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09-24-2010 , 05:29 PM

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rbracco

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Find a fold, you are never good here. Also your raise sizing is way too big on river. Raise is good but raise to like 108 or 96 or something

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09-24-2010 , 05:37 PM

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SmityWrbn_ManJensn

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98-112 is prolly the rivr sizing i wud use cause hes nevr folding an A, Q, or maaaaybe evn a J depending on how fishy he is and how agg uve been in the past. w/o specific reads this is just was i do as a std. only thing for sure is not raising the river wud b terrible

Last edited by SmityWrbn_ManJensn; 09-24-2010 at 05:38 PM. Reason: ya wat rbracco said

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09-24-2010 , 06:58 PM

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dstazy100

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i deff folded, but I figured my biggest mistake in the hand was the 3 bet betsizing on the river..

is it ever good to 3/4 or pot with intentions of folding?

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09-24-2010 , 11:03 PM

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Josef Cur

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Raise a little more than half pot (say to 130) to get value from a queen. Fold to the reraise because it's pretty clear you're beat. You need a strong read that the guy is a maniac/tilted to call that reraise imo. With the reads you listed, you're beat here pretty much always. Just raise-fold and relax, no big whoop.

The reason that i like a raise to more than half pot is to prevent his blocking bet from achieving its purpose - to see a cheap showdown. If you raise smaller you're letting him 'win' with his blocking bet. If you raise too big, you're spewing and sometimes guys put out fake blocking bets to get you to spaz out and raise huge.

Last edited by Josef Cur; 09-24-2010 at 11:05 PM. Reason: Oops i guess most of this has been said already

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09-25-2010 , 09:14 AM

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i agree with this raise sizing, wouldn't do 96

and yeah obv snapfold on river don't think it's hard at all. first of all he's a fish that 3b the river and second of all you are super nutted

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09-25-2010 , 11:39 AM

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Sinking Ship

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Obviously fold now but I would side with a 120ish river raise. Villain played the hand really weird and it almost appears he flopped the world, like quads or a boat in the first 5 cards (which is obv rare), because doesn't he raise somewhere before river with just a naked 5?

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09-25-2010 , 11:41 AM

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FullTiltIronMan

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Did he flip over the winning hand?

I think he had a queen also but you had him outkicked.

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