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07-01-2008 , 05:15 PM

Daddy Warbucks

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Villain is untalented_, who plays 20/17/5, i haven't tangled with him much before, especially at 3/6, and really don't have much of a read on. Flop and turn play just completely confused me.

Party Poker $600 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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SB: $499.25
BB: $694.20
UTG: $170.00
Hero (MP): $600.00
CO: $600.00
BTN: $38.78

Pre Flop: Hero is MP with T

1 fold, Hero raises to $24, CO calls $24, 3 folds

Flop: ($57.00) T

(2 players)
Hero bets $45, CO raises to $123, Hero calls $78

Turn: ($303.00) 2

(2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $146,Hero ?

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07-01-2008 , 05:27 PM

Veron

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If you called his flopbet you must have done it with an intention right?

This turn card is the nuts for you, so although his bet-sizing is weird I would still c/R turn and commit

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07-01-2008 , 05:33 PM

Huggy

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yerh I like c/r, i think... you cant fold

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07-01-2008 , 05:34 PM

Daddy Warbucks

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Originally Posted by Veron

If you called his flopbet you must have done it with an intention right?

Not really, hence the confusion. I'm just not a folder.

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07-01-2008 , 05:46 PM

c_hoop

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with better reads flop is generally a 3bet for me.

since you called the flop you shouldn't really fold a brick turn. with his weakish bet sizing i can see himself talking into a call with worse thinking you're just semibluffing.

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07-01-2008 , 06:02 PM

collingordon

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The hand values dont change any on the turn so you should generally go with what you were thinking on the flop. He can have a good amount of tens like AT KT QT 9T, and also 99, 77 maaaaaaaybe JJ

Either he is drawing to 3 outs or you are drawing very very slim,

c/r should tell you all you need to know.

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07-01-2008 , 06:18 PM

Veron

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Originally Posted by collingordon

ehm I disagree with basically all you say;

Hand values change a LOT on the turn (98 had 45% equity and now has 29% for example)

This is also definitely not a WA/WB situation; think about hands like 98/87/JT.

And although I agree with C/Ring this turn it's definitely not for information ldo

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07-01-2008 , 06:30 PM

collingordon

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Ok so either his hand value has gone down a good amount or you are still drawing slim.

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07-01-2008 , 06:43 PM

StatusBaller

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i mean i think you have to go with the hand after flatting the flop

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07-01-2008 , 07:05 PM

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rica

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call turn re-evaluate river depending on his action

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07-01-2008 , 07:30 PM

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Daddy Warbucks

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How do people feel about bet/folding turn, and c/c blank rivers if called?

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07-01-2008 , 07:42 PM

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sauce123

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c/f turn and squeeze the stress ball

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07-01-2008 , 09:08 PM

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Huggy

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I like b/f turn, and that is the line I normally take. However draws can still shove you.

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07-01-2008 , 10:09 PM

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ArturiusX

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3betting flop seems a lot better than b/f turn

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07-02-2008 , 12:12 AM

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duckyfuzz

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I assume if we 3ball de flop we're calling it off right?

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07-02-2008 , 12:21 AM

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c_hoop

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ya its more of a range balancing thing to counter the times we are doing this w/8x.

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07-02-2008 , 12:39 AM

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holdme

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balancing your range versus an unknown?

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07-02-2008 , 12:43 AM

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ArturiusX

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3beting the flop has nothing to do with balancing lol

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07-02-2008 , 12:43 AM

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c_hoop

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no, i was talking about if we had better reads. i think 3betting the flop vs an unknown is pretty spewey.

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07-02-2008 , 12:44 AM

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c_hoop

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Originally Posted by ArturiusX

3beting the flop has nothing to do with balancing lol

if you say so

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07-02-2008 , 02:34 AM

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Nemesis69

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Bah, I feel like I want to fold flop.

He has like a pair + draw or 2pair a lot imo.

Do you think he gets this aggro with a weak T?

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07-02-2008 , 02:42 AM

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SuperRu

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you could really fold the flop here.

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07-02-2008 , 02:51 AM

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David1234

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yeah don't really see why so many ppl wanna felt this here. He raised a board u shouldnt be cbetting that much, unless u are in some leveling war that i dont know about. That would be my general default against a decent player w/o history. You could have the best hand but there are a lot of bad turns and u will be in a tricky spot oop should u call and brick.

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07-02-2008 , 03:05 AM

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aislephive

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Originally Posted by ArturiusX

3beting the flop has nothing to do with balancing lol

Unless it's intended as a bluff, it clearly does, at least if villain wasn't an unknown. As it is, 3betting the flop is just plain terrible.

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07-02-2008 , 03:35 AM

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ArturiusX

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explain why 3betting the flop is a worse line than calling and b/fing the turn

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