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04-05-2016 , 03:01 PM
Hey guys, i'm playing low stakes (2c/5c) to build up a bankroll and found myself in, wait i think, is an interesting hand. I probably had to bet turn myself to have a better idea of where i stood in the hand. Once he bet this big on the river i felt like he was probably playing jacks this way. I think he would 3bet kings preflop and wouldn't bet his ace king this big on the river. Offcourse it could be a busted flush or straight draw, but because i had the blocker ace of hearts there wheren't that many combinations. What you call here on the river and what would you have done different in this hand?

Button had the following stats based on 44 hands:
VPIP 28 PFR 19 AG 2.0 3B 0

Boomplayer:
http://www.boomplayer.com/en/poker-h...128_A02322AC68

    Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37292221

    BTN: $25.85 (517 bb)
    SB: $5.55 (111 bb)
    BB: $5 (100 bb)
    Hero (UTG): $15.23 (304.6 bb)
    MP: $17.73 (354.6 bb)
    CO: $5 (100 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is UTG with A A
    Hero raises to $0.15, MP folds, CO raises to $0.40, BTN calls $0.40, 2 folds, Hero raises to $1, CO folds, BTN calls $0.60

    Flop: ($2.47) 6 K J (2 players)
    Hero bets $1.16, BTN calls $1.16

    Turn: ($4.79) 4 (2 players)
    Hero checks, BTN bets $2.40, Hero calls $2.40

    River: ($9.59) 6 (2 players)
    Hero checks, BTN bets $7.95, Hero folds

    Spoiler:
    Results: $9.59 pot ($0.40 rake)
    Final Board: 6 K J 4 6
    BTN mucked and won $9.19 ($4.63 net)
    Hero mucked A A and lost (-$4.56 net)



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    04-05-2016 , 05:50 PM
    No
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    04-05-2016 , 06:14 PM
    no, also I think you should size your 4bet bigger like $1,6 or something like that
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    04-05-2016 , 06:40 PM
    I'd bet bigger preflop, on flop and on turn.
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    04-05-2016 , 07:45 PM
    After a 3-bet and a call, raising to $1 is definitely too small.

    As played, flop bet should be bigger as you can get a lot more value from worst hands here.

    Turn is close, I would bet here, still can get a lot of value from worst hands. Although a check is just as good.

    On the river, after this sizing, I would fold. I agree with your analysis that villains pre-flop line looks a lot like JJ/AK, and AK wouldn't bet this big as what hands that AK is beating would call this size?

    Good fold. Would be annoying if its a thin value bet from AK though as your hand looks alot like QQ haha
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    04-05-2016 , 07:49 PM
    Yeah ,your sizing should be a lot bigger preflop for sure. On the flop, given that you are both so deep, I think you can go with a bet flop, turn and river line and fold if he decides to raise you on any street and here is why:

    OTT he can have 6 combo's of AK (you block 8 of 16 AK combo's plus the K of Hearts removes 2 combinations of AK with the remaining A's left). the combinations of JJ are only 3 combo's. Im just assuming the most likely combo's now and that are most likely to call flop, given that you made the 4bet pretty small preflop he can even have the occasional KQs if hes bad and also he can call one street sometimes with QQ, though that would be pretty disastrous too (but hey, its 5nl lol).

    On the flop your sizing can go a bit bigger too, but with small STPR I think its important to be able to fold river if he comes over the top and he does have the JJ, so I do not hate it too much. I do not think he would ever raise something less than a set so we can quite comfortably fold then. AP you seem to bring yourself in a bad guessing game spot while if you bet all streets you remain in control over the hand and there are more handcombinations of which you can get value from than the ones that beat you.

    Last edited by Whittey Houston; 04-05-2016 at 07:56 PM.
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    04-06-2016 , 05:54 AM
    Bigger pre when deep and vs 2, postflop looks good, we can also play kk this way
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    04-06-2016 , 05:57 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by DonkLess
    I'd bet bigger preflop, on flop and on turn.
    +1
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    04-06-2016 , 07:13 AM
    Bigger pre no less than $1.4, I think either checking turn or barreling are both fine, I slightly prefer a barrel tho.
    As played WP for F river.
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    04-06-2016 , 04:57 PM
    Looking back at it i should have made it bigger pre and in general i should think better about my 3bet sizing preflop and you guys made me realise this.

    I think this quote made me realise that is better to stay in control of a pot then to guess where you stand, i'll try to use it in my next sessions.
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Whittey Houston
    if you bet all streets you remain in control over the hand and there are more handcombinations of which you can get value from than the ones that beat you.
    Thanks for the feedback from all.
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    04-06-2016 , 08:11 PM
    I would call the river. It would make sense that V has JJ's, but surely he can have some other stuff. Even at NL100, opponents will show up with hands that will surprise you.
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    04-06-2016 , 08:20 PM
    Bet turn. Call as played.
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    04-07-2016 , 12:11 AM
    I dunno, I feel like I would call. Villian could definitely be playing AK, AJ and worse since he's getting such an amazing price to call pre flop.

    That being said, this line is wayyyyy too passive, holy. Bet turn, bet river or even check then (fist pump) call river.

    I feel like I'm going against the general consensus on this hand but hey thats why I'm here to learn, I guess.
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    04-07-2016 , 04:06 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by jmCorleon
    I dunno, I feel like I would call. Villian could definitely be playing AK, AJ and worse since he's getting such an amazing price to call pre flop.

    That being said, this line is wayyyyy too passive, holy. Bet turn, bet river or even check then (fist pump) call river.

    I feel like I'm going against the general consensus on this hand but hey thats why I'm here to learn, I guess.
    So many spots where i think villain is doing something because my range looks like something, in reality at this stake people arent bluffing enough by far or value betting thinly, i would say this iskk or jj 90 percent of time
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    04-07-2016 , 05:01 AM
    Anyone who thinks this is a fold should quit poker. Firstly keep betting turn and that way river is a bet too. With hero's turn check we're repping a much weaker range now. V can be comfortable value betting AA/AK/KJs/KQs. Only hands that beat us are 3 JJ combos and 1 unlikely 66 combo given preflop sequence.
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    04-07-2016 , 05:02 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by jmCorleon
    I dunno, I feel like I would call. Villian could definitely be playing AK, AJ and worse since he's getting such an amazing price to call pre flop.

    That being said, this line is wayyyyy too passive, holy. Bet turn, bet river or even check then (fist pump) call river.

    I feel like I'm going against the general consensus on this hand but hey thats why I'm here to learn, I guess.
    Nah, you're kinda right tbh
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