Let's say my image is TAG somewhat laggy, running around say 24/20.. and I'm in MP/LP, a very loose short stack donkey in early position shoves 20BB folded to me and I have AKo.

In the past I would pretty much call everytime.. but nowadays after much thinking I think that I have nothing invested yet, I may be ahead of the average hand that he would do this with but there's simply no need to gamble/flip for 20BBs with a hand like AKo that is slightly behind any PP and may dominate some hands he pushes with but for 20BBs isn't worth it.

There has to be a consensus to this kind of situation?

Cal 100% of time. ITS A LEAK TO FOLD.

call for sure , a lot of Ax in his range and very few hands that really dominate you

That's interesting.. so do we gamble everytime we think we are maybe slightly ahead of a shortstacker's shoving range in any situation?

If we're to optimize table-selection it means this situation comes up a hell of a lot because we want to be on tables with shorty's who are loose.... so even though we're sitting in full we end up flipping a ton.

I personally think AK is a great hand to shove with but to call.... if he is raising 20BBs with 80BB behind I can shove or just call, but he's shoving a small amount.. what kind of stats are we talking about here that would prevent you from automatically calling him.. let's say if he's 38/6.... rarely raises pf you still call now?

yes op, it'd be a huge leak not to call.

Do you gamble every time you think you are slightly ahead?

Yes. Why wouldn't you.

This is a bit silly... yes you can just fold AK against such a player if he open shoves UTG and you have confidence in your read that he's strong, but how often at midstakes do you see a <20bb shortstacker who plays 38/6? I need to know which site you play on

I think you're just leveling yourself, you are up against AT/AJ/AQ so often. Shorties love these hands

Uh, yeah, that's kind of what poker is.

And we're not "slightly," ahead, we're significantly ahead of a 22+ / AJo+ range.

no we're not, but slightly ahead is good enough for 20bb with 1.5 bb already in the pot

I meant a range of 22-QQ since AA and KK (probably not QQ either usually, but to be fair we'll weight it the same as the others) are rarely if ever open shoving 20 bbs, and obviously I was being very generous with the AJo+. It's more like 22-QQ / A8s+ , ATo +, and I think we have at least 55% equity against that range.

10% more of equity is not slightly, imo.

edit: just stoved, a little over 55% equity. We jump all the way to 57% with AKs.

you're gonna have to explain this one

What do you mean by this? You'll start calling when he shoves for more money? What you're saying doesn't make any sense.
You're also not considering some things. When you call/raise and someone behind you has AQ and reraises you've just made a lot more money. You also don't mind the shortstacker to play with a bigger stack or to just leave.

From the perspective of the shorty, his shoves become significantly more profitable if he's getting you to fold AK, ergo folding AK is a mistake.

IMSAKIDD is smiling somewhere reading this OP

quit poker.

lol

i cant believe this is what online poker has become

def snap

Would you still call if someone else calls before you? Does it matter how big this callers stacks is?