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Is that a winning play fold ? Is that a winning play fold ?

08-09-2016 , 03:27 PM
The Villain is (13 vpip / 7 pfr / 2.1 aggro / 4.9 3-bet preflop) ( 200 hands history)

I felt like he hit a set on the turn and rivered a boat. If I replay that exact scenario many times will I be profiting from folding here most of the time.
And is check raise on the turn a correct play ?


    Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37411287

    BTN: $2.08 (104 bb)
    SB: $2.02 (101 bb)
    BB: $1.90 (95 bb)
    Hero (UTG+1): $5.84 (292 bb)
    UTG+2: $1.56 (78 bb)
    MP1: $2.22 (111 bb)
    MP2: $2.81 (140.5 bb)
    MP3: $3.31 (165.5 bb)
    CO: $1.57 (78.5 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with A Q
    Hero raises to $0.06, 5 folds, BTN calls $0.06, 2 folds

    Flop: ($0.15) Q 2 5 (2 players)
    Hero bets $0.09, BTN calls $0.09

    Turn: ($0.33) T (2 players)
    Hero checks, BTN bets $0.16, Hero raises to $0.40, BTN raises to $0.64, Hero calls $0.24

    River: ($1.61) 5 (2 players)
    Hero checks, BTN bets $1.29 and is all-in, Hero folds

    Spoiler:
    Results: $1.61 pot ($0.06 rake)
    Final Board: Q 2 5 T 5
    BTN mucked and won $1.55 ($0.76 net)
    Hero mucked A Q and lost (-$0.79 net)



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    08-09-2016 , 03:37 PM
    I don´t like the x/r otr, feels kinda pointless. You´re making worse hands fold.
    Against such a nit, folding river is good.
    I would think villain 3 bets TT pf.
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    08-09-2016 , 03:43 PM
    why check turn?
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    08-09-2016 , 03:53 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by mrno1324
    why check turn?
    Based on the stats I had from him I assumed he would bet the turn with any pair// draw, because my stats are 75% c-bet and 36% fold to turn bet oop.

    So my play was to go for a check raise that way I can put more money in the pot without over-betting the pot on the turn , I was putting him on a weak pair or AK. checking would represent me having a weak hand based on the stats that he would have collected from me. If I bet he would simply fold most of the range I was putting him on. The turn gave me the nut flush draw which made it ok to slow-play // check-raise my TPTK for extra value on the river.

    For example imagine he has a pair with a weaker flush draw, and if I bet turn heavily he will fold it, But if the flush comes on the river I will get paid well.


    Sometimes I feel like I think too advanced for 2nl and make plays that just go over my opponents head.
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    08-09-2016 , 04:31 PM
    on 2nl just play it simple.
    on this runout you should bet-bet-bet

    as played, insta fold rvier
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    08-09-2016 , 05:09 PM
    I think you are leveling yourself too much, regardless of stakes. You are way too excited about TPTK bro. It is often the best hand but it isn't that great, you're playing it like you have quads. It's a vulnerable hand, not the nuts.
    You check because you don't want your opponent to fold. First of all folding out a worse hand (especially with TPTK) is not the worst thing in the world. Second, check raising reps way more strength than just betting. In fact you are way over representing your hand when you check raise.
    As a result you will only get action from hands which have you crushed, which is exactly what happened here.
    Picking up the nut flush draw is a reason to continue betting with extra equity and set up a big value bet should the flush come.
    I question that he folds weaker pairs and any flush draws if you bet turn. He probably calls if you bet and checks back to see river when you check and you miss out on a street of value and give him a free card. I wouldn't be so confident that he stabs with worse every time OTT and he definitely doesn't min reraise a check raise with worse.
    As a side note it's hard for him to have AK cause he didn't 3bet plus you block an ace, but this doesn't matter much for this hand.
    It's probably bad to assume your opponent uses a HUD at 2NL unless he specifically told you for some reason.

    Last edited by mrno1324; 08-09-2016 at 05:14 PM.
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    08-09-2016 , 05:12 PM
    on 2nl just play it simple.
    on this runout you should bet-bet-bet

    as played, insta fold rvier '' >+1
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    08-09-2016 , 06:34 PM
    TPTK+nut flush draw is legit very strong unless you get raised, and as played we don't know if you induced it with your weird turn checkraise. So I would bet turn for value.
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    08-09-2016 , 07:09 PM
    Meh you can play AQ like bluffcatcher against tight opp by x/c flop. You can play bet/bet/something against unknown.
    Why do you play it by strange x/r/c ott? I really dont know whether you turned it to bluff or what was your idea, Im sorry just do not see what you played.
    Btw the fold otr is not so clear but as played Im not able to guess what is your range otr.
    Just play TPTK with FD blocker so that it makes reasonable pot, you dont have to be all in.
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    08-09-2016 , 07:48 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Shamway99
    Meh you can play AQ like bluffcatcher against tight opp by x/c flop. You can play bet/bet/something against unknown.
    Why do you play it by strange x/r/c ott? I really dont know whether you turned it to bluff or what was your idea, Im sorry just do not see what you played.
    Btw the fold otr is not so clear but as played Im not able to guess what is your range otr.
    Just play TPTK with FD blocker so that it makes reasonable pot, you dont have to be all in.
    I apologize in advance for my fishy question, but I'm fairly new to the slag here what is "x/c flop" and "x/r/c ott".
    And it is understandable that you don't see it, i play 4 table zoom and experienced a hedge amount of hands in the last 2 months, 160k to be exact. As I just started being profitable in the last 35k hands by only 7bb/100, I should be making a lot of mistakes. That is the reason I make posts here, because i don't really know what I am doing .
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    08-09-2016 , 11:37 PM
    even vs a nit this is a super standard bet-bet-bet line. It's 2NL, the nits can still be really stationy postflop.
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    08-09-2016 , 11:41 PM
    even vs a nit this is a super standard bet-bet-bet line. It's 2NL, the nits can still be really stationy postflop.> +1 very true
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    08-09-2016 , 11:42 PM
    REALLY stationary
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    08-10-2016 , 12:30 AM
    Check/raise turn is kind of silly vs. anyone. It's pretty awful vs. a huge nit. Sizing is also bad.
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