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Why am I so nitty! Why am I so nitty!

03-30-2014 , 07:38 AM
I have no idea why I'm so nitty.

I play 6max zoom

My vpip is 15.85 over 100k sample which seems very nitty.

My opening ranges are actually standard/loose

UTG:
55+,A9s+,KJs+,QJs,AJo+,KQo

MP:
22+,A5s+,KTs+,QTs+,JTs,T9s,98s,87s,76s,ATo+,KJo+

CO: 22+,A2s+,K7s+,Q9s+,J8s+,T8s+,97s+,87s,76s,65s,A8o+ ,KTo+,QTo+,JTo,T9o

BTN: 22+,A2s+,K2s+,Q4s+,J5s+,T5s+,95s+,85s+,74s+,64s+,5 2s+,42s+,A2o+,K7o+,Q8o+,J9o+,T9o,98o

SB: 22+,A2s+,K7s+,Q9s+,J9s+,T8s+,97s+,86s+,75s+,65s,A8 o+,K9o+,QTo+,JTo

So I'm not sure why my vpip is so low it must be to do with how much I'm calling/3betting

BTN: VPIP-23.54 PFR-17.77 3bet-2.55
CO: VPIP-19.67 PFR-16.39 3bet-1.87
MP: VPIP-15.34 PFR-14.41 3bet-1.17
EP: VPIP-11.05 PFR-11.05 3bet -----
BB: VPIP-11.22 PFR-2.87 3bet-2.76
SB: VPIP-13.61 PFR-10.35 3bet-3.16

Not sure if anyone can see where I'm going wrong here and how I can open up a bit more.

Thanks in advance!
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03-30-2014 , 07:46 AM
Why don't you want to be nitty? Is your winrate bad? If your winrate is decent, what's the big deal?

Clearly if you wanted to get better at poker you'd stop playing zoom, but as that's not the case I can only assume you're playing to win money, and therefore if your winrate is decent, don't change anything.
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03-30-2014 , 07:53 AM
No I'm losing money at the moment so my winrate isnt good!

Why do you say that about zoom?
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03-30-2014 , 08:00 AM
He's wrong about Zoom. I think if you open A5s in MP you can probably open A2s as well. You can probably open the BTN wider too, but if those are truly your ranges I'm surprised you're 15 VPIP. You can definitely 3bet more as well.
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03-30-2014 , 08:06 AM
Whats sort of hands should I be 3 betting.
I can do it with the strong hands for value but obviously I should be 3betting a bit wider.
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03-30-2014 , 08:08 AM
Well, it should change positionally. SB v BTN AQ and TT we can 3bet for value, against an UTG open I'd be flatting AK and QQ. We can have some light 3bets and there are articles about that all over 2p2.
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03-30-2014 , 08:23 AM
You really think playing nitty @ zoom is going to help you improve as an overall player? Compared to regular games, I highly doubt it (at least not as much).
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03-30-2014 , 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by markodpoker
You really think playing nitty @ zoom is going to help you improve as an overall player? Compared to regular games, I highly doubt it (at least not as much).
Well I don't want to play nitty hence why I'm asking for advice.
Some of the best poker professionals in the world play rush/zoom poker so I'm not sure what your point is.
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03-30-2014 , 08:49 AM
I also play at 6 max zoom and currently winning ~8bb/100 over 10K hand even I had very serious downswings. My all-in adjusted winrate is about ~12bb/100.
To be frank I don't have standard opening ranges. IMO the KEY to success in microstakes is our postflop play especially TURN and RIVER. These are the streets where big money is made or lost!
Hope this helps. Any feedback is appreciated.
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03-30-2014 , 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by good2betheKing
I also play at 6 max zoom and currently winning ~8bb/100 over 10K hand even I had very serious downswings. My all-in adjusted winrate is about ~12bb/100.
To be frank I don't have standard opening ranges. IMO the KEY to success in microstakes is our postflop play especially TURN and RIVER. These are the streets where big money is made or lost!
Hope this helps. Any feedback is appreciated.
Anything more you can say about the turn and river point?
what sort of things do you do that you think the average microstakes player does not in these streets.
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03-30-2014 , 09:11 AM
Steal more,loose up from co and btn and 3 bet more.
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03-30-2014 , 09:13 AM
I belive at the micros turn raises are usually the nuts and river raises are always the nuts. I try to never bluff catch. I usually give up on turn when I don't have TPTK or better. Against a nit I even fold small overpairs when I face big aggression. When I have it I go NUTS by making overbets and usually shove . I hear you saying someone might exploit me if I do this again and again The thing is it is micros and good players don't stay here for long. They usually move up .

PS: I quit for half an hour when I have two bad beats in a row not to tilt and loosen up.
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03-30-2014 , 09:31 AM
I assume that people play zoom when they are confident they already have a standard winning style they can apply. 'Standard' meaning not quite optimal, adjustments based on stats rather than table dynamics as I imagine it is hard to form reads when switching tables constantly. Fwiw I am currently single tabling (standard table) at a higher stake than what my 'bankrolll' allows me in order to make better decisions and improve. As we make more optimal decisions our stats become naturally more aggressive anyway.
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03-30-2014 , 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by good2betheKing
I usually give up on turn when I don't have TPTK or better.
What about draws? How are you playing OESD or FD on the turn
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03-30-2014 , 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by good2betheKing
I belive at the micros turn raises are usually the nuts and river raises are always the nuts. I try to never bluff catch. I usually give up on turn when I don't have TPTK or better. Against a nit I even fold small overpairs when I face big aggression. When I have it I go NUTS by making overbets and usually shove . I hear you saying someone might exploit me if I do this again and again The thing is it is micros and good players don't stay here for long. They usually move up .

PS: I quit for half an hour when I have two bad beats in a row not to tilt and loosen up.
This won't work above 5NL.

The thing about Zoom is that it helps us to develop a very strong default strategy and that's probably the most important thing for beginners. We can focus on exploitation once we know what we're looking for to exploit.
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03-30-2014 , 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by good2betheKing
I belive at the micros turn raises are usually the nuts and river raises are always the nuts. I try to never bluff catch. I usually give up on turn when I don't have TPTK or better. Against a nit I even fold small overpairs when I face big aggression. When I have it I go NUTS by making overbets and usually shove . I hear you saying someone might exploit me if I do this again and again The thing is it is micros and good players don't stay here for long. They usually move up .

PS: I quit for half an hour when I have two bad beats in a row not to tilt and loosen up.
Close to everything is wrong. Why would you want to quit after bad beats? Usually means you're playing well Getting your money in good.

You're correct in wanting to have stringent bluff catching requirements vs nits in micros. Do you honestly think most arnt aware when you overbet it's mortal nuts ?

You want to bet thin for value uNL full of stations. Please post a graph or your stats to support some of your above beliefs.
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03-30-2014 , 12:00 PM
You should be folding A9ss utg, I dont know if mathematically this is correct, but A2ss-A5ss are better hands then A9ss because they can flop straights, so intuitively they should be better hands.
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03-30-2014 , 01:32 PM
they are better hands to raise..
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03-30-2014 , 03:15 PM
I would think that your opening ranges are fine a little loose, but alright. The issue you are likely having is that your flatting ranges IP have to be a lot tighter, but your 3bets need to be lighter. For ex, don't 3bet QQ or AK these should be flatted against most players, you should try 3betting with hands that play well post flop, but are to weak to flat. Hands like K6s-K9s, Q6s-Q9s and other hands like that. Obviously we are bluffing to don't call a 4bet. That way your opening ranges are VPIP 15, but light 3betting with hands like this will push your VPIP in the 20's and improve your aggression factor. Warning however, you can't 3bet these hands every time you get them. Your 3bets should hover around 9%,
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03-30-2014 , 03:46 PM
Don't have set opening ranges, it should vary depending on your table.
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03-30-2014 , 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by lilkidbigcity
What about draws? How are you playing OESD or FD on the turn
I try to never flat pre except for set mining. Other than that I am usually aggressive on the flop. If against all my aggresion villain doesn't
give up I consider his FvCbet% both flop and turn. If first is low and second is high then I go ahead and bet about half the pot with my OESD or FD on the turn.
Still I usually give up against most opponents when I don't have a strong combo draw. 12 outs or more.
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03-30-2014 , 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by cardbrute
Close to everything is wrong. Why would you want to quit after bad beats? Usually means you're playing well Getting your money in good.

You're correct in wanting to have stringent bluff catching requirements vs nits in micros. Do you honestly think most arnt aware when you overbet it's mortal nuts ?

You want to bet thin for value uNL full of stations. Please post a graph or your stats to support some of your above beliefs.
I don't insist it works for everyone. I tend to deviate from my brick and mortar strategy when I am getting bad beats to "win" the money "back" quickly. I mean this is my profile as a player. Having a break works for me.

I try to NEVER bet thin for value. These fish do really unexpected things. When you "think" you are ahead, suddenly you realise you were behind all the way (reverse implied odds working). Hence, I give up thin value for FAT value.

Following is my stats for the last 8 sessions of NL5.

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03-30-2014 , 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by TheDefiniteArticle
This won't work above 5NL.

The thing about Zoom is that it helps us to develop a very strong default strategy and that's probably the most important thing for beginners. We can focus on exploitation once we know what we're looking for to exploit.
Can't agree more. That's why it's better to stay away from regs and focus on non-reg recreational players (especially the ones with ipad and iphone icons ).
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03-30-2014 , 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by good2betheKing
I don't insist it works for everyone. I tend to deviate from my brick and mortar strategy when I am getting bad beats to "win" the money "back" quickly. I mean this is my profile as a player. Having a break works for me.

I try to NEVER bet thin for value. These fish do really unexpected things. When you "think" you are ahead, suddenly you realise you were behind all the way (reverse implied odds working). Hence, I give up thin value for FAT value.

Following is my stats for the last 8 sessions of NL5.

these are not stats, these are your results over an insignificant sample

post preflop stats by position, post cbetting and folding vs cbets by street
post wtsd, w$sd, wwsf

also bolded is a huge mistake and is prob the biggest reason you are not winning
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03-30-2014 , 06:10 PM
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