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04-13-2008 , 11:21 PM

Sniiii

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Villain 44,3/12,5/3.38 over 88 hands. Call PF of his raise was a misclick, so don't bother pointing that out.

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BB ($18.10)
UTG ($81.50)
MP ($50)
Hero ($49.25)
Button ($93.15)
SB ($51.55)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A

, Q

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UTG raises to $1, 1 fold, Hero calls $1, 3 folds.

Flop: ($2.75) A

, 3

, K

(2 players)
UTG bets $2.75, Hero raises to $11, UTG calls $8.25.

Turn: ($24.75) 6

(2 players)
UTG bets $24, Hero lols

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04-13-2008 , 11:25 PM

NeverScurred

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I don't really like the flop raise here. Flatting seems better imo. Turn is rough because stack sizes make b/f hard, but I think you have to bet if checked to because he could have a lot of lone clubs or whatever.

Last edited by NeverScurred; 04-13-2008 at 11:27 PM. Reason: but srsly

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04-13-2008 , 11:29 PM

DaycareInferno

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calling pf is ok. i'd call on the flop too. main thing is decide your course before you raise in the first place.

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04-13-2008 , 11:32 PM

Sniiii

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Why do you guys fancy flatting the flop here? It's a very drawy board, and I'm not really fond of letting 40+vpips draw for free.

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04-13-2008 , 11:34 PM

NeverScurred

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A flush draw is probably a pretty small part of his UTG raising range imo, and what other draws are you worried about? Gutties aren't really a big threat.

Daycare, while a preflop flat might be ok vs an unknown, I like a 3-bet against this particular villain because he's dumb and definitely calls with worse.

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04-13-2008 , 11:34 PM

DaycareInferno

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he'll be the turn with worse more often than he'll call on the flop with worse. its not really being fancy either, because your hand isn't exactly a monster there.

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04-13-2008 , 11:41 PM

Sniiii

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Originally Posted by DaycareInferno

he'll be the turn with worse more often than he'll call on the flop with worse

Yeah true. Suppose I should have flatted the flop. Do I take the passive route and just call this guy down?

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04-13-2008 , 11:43 PM

DaycareInferno

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i usually do. i mean, there's nothing wrong with raising there if you think the guy is gonna have and put his money in with enough worse hands, but i think even most fish are gonna put more in behind when you call them on average.

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04-14-2008 , 12:08 AM

sinderg

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Yeah true. Suppose I should have flatted the flop. Do I take the passive route and just call this guy down?

na betting if checked to on a blank turn.
but defo flattin flop

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04-14-2008 , 01:23 AM

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Kilillan

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why do I not believe preflop was a misclick?

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04-14-2008 , 02:07 AM

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ama0330

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3bet preflop, and fold now. You're toast.

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04-14-2008 , 02:31 AM

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orlov

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3bet preflop, lol minraiseaments, make it like 6-7 to show that ****** what a proper bet looks like, also makes getting stacks in easier against his a6o when you hit your a

Flat flop, as played fold turn

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04-14-2008 , 02:37 AM

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traz

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Raising this flop should be completely standard. Fold now

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04-14-2008 , 10:48 AM

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Sniiii

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Originally Posted by Kilillan

why do I not believe preflop was a misclick?

I don't know, and I don't really care. My bb/100h and graph shows and proves enough to me so if some random guy on 2+2 'does not believe that was a misclick', it doesn't exactly make my world spin.

For the record, I folded turn obv and he claimed he had a6 (but busted him 200bb deep later on so ;p )

Last edited by Sniiii; 04-14-2008 at 11:10 AM.

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04-14-2008 , 10:54 AM

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MrWooster

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I like the flop raise because people call you so light because they think you are bluffing.

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04-14-2008 , 10:57 AM

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djoyce003

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flop raise is fine, fold turn. You have to raise there, you probably have the best hand and the board is drawy. He's donking after you showed strength, you are never good here unless you have a read on this guy.

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04-14-2008 , 11:19 AM

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Kilillan

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Originally Posted by Sniiii

I don't know, and I don't really care. My bb/100h and graph shows and proves enough to me so if some random guy on 2+2 'does not believe that was a misclick', it doesn't exactly make my world spin.

calm down there stumpy

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04-14-2008 , 11:21 AM

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Grunch

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The flop isn't that drawy. I mean he'd need a pretty narrow range of specific cards to have a combo.

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04-14-2008 , 12:32 PM

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wslee00

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really? you guys are 3-betting AQo pre-flop to a UTG raiser on a regular basis?

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04-14-2008 , 12:55 PM

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kolotoure

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yes it is std readless

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04-14-2008 , 01:00 PM

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sinderg

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really? you guys are 3-betting AQo pre-flop to a UTG raiser on a regular basis?

yep, less variance playing a hand straight up. calling AQ preflop just leads to doom

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04-14-2008 , 03:09 PM

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NeverScurred

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Originally Posted by wslee00

really? you guys are 3-betting AQo pre-flop to a UTG raiser on a regular basis?

lol villain is a 40+ VPIP clownshoes who minraised. Why would I give him any respect?

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04-14-2008 , 03:14 PM

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DaycareInferno

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Originally Posted by sinderg

yep, less variance playing a hand straight up. calling AQ preflop just leads to doom

i don't have any problem with 3betting it, but that's just not true. if you're doomed playing a good hand ip vs. an overag and bad player with lots of money behind, then something is wrong. calling is more standard for me, because i'd rather have that extra maneuvering room, but its really more a matter of preference than anything imo.

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04-14-2008 , 03:17 PM

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NeverScurred

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Originally Posted by DaycareInferno

I definitely agree with this vs other TAGs, but I'm always gonna 3b in this particular spot.

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04-14-2008 , 03:21 PM

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DaycareInferno

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and that's fine. all i'm sayin is its not the big deal that a lot of people make it out to be. pf in general isn't.

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